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  • Raps set for Bargnani contingincy plan

    Before I post anything else let me state this:

    I believe it is the preference of Brian Colangelo that Bargs pans out and is THE GUY we saw for about 20 games early in last season.

    However:
    - I personally am skeptical that he is based primarily on his pastern of effort over his 6 years as a RAP.
    - If he isn't - THE GUY - BC can't let it play out for another whole season
    - if he misses many games this season due to injury or a trade - Raps will change

    If the oft-injured Bargs is not THE GUY I expect the raps to over night become the best defensive team in the league.

    Just look at the Defense first guys they have on the team (not to mention the coach).

    BIGS not named Bargnani
    JV - not sure what to expect offensively, but will provide great help defense and block/alter shots from day 1
    Gray - Rugged Interior Defense, slow, above average rebounder not much offense
    Amir - high motor defender, athletic, shot-blocker, can not create his own shot
    Dominic McGuire - almost non-existent offensive game as explained here, Outstanding athletic defender
    Ed Davis - shot blocker amazingly may have the most offensive game of any raptor big man.

    NON-Bigs
    Quincy Acy - can't shoot, can't dribble, can't pass, decent in open floor, got to the NBA with High motor and rugged pounding defense
    Derozen... well he is Derozen, saves his energy mostly for offense but may improve under DC
    Alan Anderson - "Good mid-range and long-range shooter... Works hard on the defensive end.."
    Fields: The best defender rebounded he could be given his athletic package - which is quite good (still over paid)

    TRoss (6,7) vs Barbossa (6'2) is a huge defensive upgrade
    K Lowry(6') vs Calderon (6'3) is a huge defensive upgrade even though lowry is shorter he can keep people in front of him.
    Kleiza Calderon are the exception raptors would rely heavily on them in the absence of Bargs. However BC has gone on record again saying Calderon is available.

    All that being said Bargs is with out a doubt THE QUESTION going in to the season. What he does or does not do will directly effect the raptors for season to come.
    "I may be wrong ... but I doubt it"

  • #2
    How is Bargnani "often injured"?

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    • #3
      Fingers crossed that he is the guy, he's such a unique talent it would be a shame to waste it.

      BUT I agree with your contigency theory, I just hope we dont waste Lowry and JV's youth ( derozan/ross maybe) trying to plug mediocre pieces. If this team turns out to be as improved as i think it is, its time to go big.

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      • #4
        There is no one else on the Raptors that can score in isolation so the Raptors are betting on Andrea's good health. On the injury prone analysis, it's too early to put that tag on AB. I counted 78 missed games in 6 season's that's 13 per year on average. Here's to good health for Bargnani.

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        • #5
          stretch wrote: View Post
          There is no one else on the Raptors that can score in isolation...
          I'm sure we'll be seeing a LOT of late-game ISOs for Lowry this year.

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          • #6
            Pick and roll, I would think.

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            • #7
              stretch wrote: View Post
              Pick and roll, I would think.
              PNRs for sure, but Lowry's plenty capable of creating his own shot without a big man's help.

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              • #8
                Acy is a big, he is a 4. It is DeRozan and contingency. I like Bargs on the offensive side. He adds pieces to his game every season and can score in so many different ways. With more firepower around him and an improved DD, hopefully AB can stay healthier and maintain his effectiveness throughout the entire season
                Ball Don't Lie

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                • #9
                  I believe it was Matt a few days ago that pointed out the the Raps were BETTER defensively with Andrea on the floor last year that when he was injured. I can't remember what thread it was posted in, but the numbers seem to support this. Also, I have to agree with the others who question your tag of injury prone, he has been pretty durable for the bulk of his career missing more than half of his games last year.

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                  • #10
                    If Bargnani goes down for an extended period the Raptors are in some deep do do.

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                    • #11
                      Derozan looks like he has some improved handles. I wouldn't be surprised if he stepped up and became that go to guy, he'll be much more comfortable with guys like Lowry and fields in the lineup. They'll open things up for him

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                      • #12
                        CT2010 wrote: View Post
                        I believe it was Matt a few days ago that pointed out the the Raps were BETTER defensively with Andrea on the floor last year that when he was injured. I can't remember what thread it was posted in, but the numbers seem to support this. Also, I have to agree with the others who question your tag of injury prone, he has been pretty durable for the bulk of his career missing more than half of his games last year.
                        If we look at on floor/off floor numbers the Raptors were defensively 3.1 pts per 100 possessions worse with Bargnani on the floor than off (just so this hopefully doesn't turn into a Bargnani numbers argument they were better offensively with Bargnani on the floor for a net positive total).

                        http://www.82games.com/1112/11TOR15.HTM

                        To touch on injury prone, it depends on what the time line is or how one defines it. For his career he has averaged 83% of his games in a season, but for the last 2 years he's only averaged 65% (and is the bulk of his missed games). His calf injury has shown to be reoccuring, but ofcourse the timeline is small (two sample years). I'd think its fair to say if it happens a third time its a trend
                        Last edited by Craiger; Sat Sep 15, 2012, 07:58 AM.

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                        • #13
                          stretch wrote: View Post
                          If Bargnani goes down for an extended period the Raptors are in some deep do do.
                          I agree, and it's easy to point to his scoring as the reason why but I found we just looked entirely more confident last year when Bargnani was on the floor. Last year we had two professional basketball players on our team. Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani, the rest were talented ball players who were inconsistent and still trying to find themselves and men and pro athletes Amir Johnson may be excluded). Our depth may save us if Barg's does go down this year but he is by far our most important player and I don't really see his scoring numbers dropping last from last year, or his rebounding numbers because of Lowry. He should come out with a killer instinct. Playoffs probably mean more to this guy than we think.

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                          • #14
                            Craiger wrote: View Post
                            If we look at on floor/off floor numbers the Raptors were defensively 3.1 pts per 100 possessions worse with Bargnani on the floor than off (just so this hopefully doesn't turn into a Bargnani numbers argument they were better offensively with Bargnani on the floor for a net positive total).

                            http://www.82games.com/1112/11TOR15.HTM

                            To touch on injury prone, it depends on what the time line is or how one defines it. For his career he has averaged 83% of his games in a season, but for the last 2 years he's only averaged 65% (and is the bulk of his missed games). His calf injury has shown to be reoccuring, but ofcourse the timeline is small (two sample years). I'd think its fair to say if it happens a third time its a trend
                            I don't actually know, just asking, what about fg% wise? The pace may have been higher when bargnani was off the court than when he was on the court, leading to more points. Also when it comes to man-to-man defending bargnani is in the top 5 percentile, however he's known as a bad defender because of his inability to rotate and provide help. Which "technically" isn't his fault if another man's assignment gets by him.

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                            • #15
                              tucas wrote: View Post
                              I don't actually know, just asking, what about fg% wise? The pace may have been higher when bargnani was off the court than when he was on the court, leading to more points. Also when it comes to man-to-man defending bargnani is in the top 5 percentile, however he's known as a bad defender because of his inability to rotate and provide help. Which "technically" isn't his fault if another man's assignment gets by him.
                              The on court/off court numbers are adjusted for pace by their nature of per 100 possessions (unless per 100 possessions are calculated differently from the common method).

                              Opposition shoots 1.2% better with Bargnani on the court.

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