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  • Can we put to rest this nonsense about Landry Fields being overpaid?

    It seems to be the go-to blurb for most media articles that start talking about Landry: "despite his outsized contract offer...", "...who was overpaid by the Toronto Raptors this summer...", "...will have to elevate his game to match his contract." These are all quotes from recent mainstream media articles about the raps.

    The thing is, the premise is flawed. Landry Fields didn't get a big contract. It pays him 6.25 million per year(flat, no increases) for three years. For 2009-2010 (the last NBA season I could find the data for) the mid-level exception, which is based on the league's calculation of the average NBA salary, was just north of 5.85 million. Even if growth is only 3% per year for the next 3 years, a very conservative estimate, by the time we hit the third year of his contract he'll have a below average NBA salary.

    Now, if you want to argue that Landry Fields is a drastically below-average NBA player and that's why you think he's overpaid, that's fine. (I'm gonna respectfully disagree with you on that one, but everyone's got a right to their opinions.) But what I see way too much of is, "Yeah, he's pretty good, but we're paying him way too much." If he's pretty good, or even at the level of 'mediocre starter', we're paying him almost exactly the right amount. Over the course of the deal, we'll be paying an average salary to a player who is a little above average right now, and certainly has the potential to be better than that (if he bounces back to something more like his rookie numbers.)
    Last edited by tkfu; Mon Oct 1st, 2012, 08:59 AM. Reason: edited for grammar mistake

  • Craiger
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    Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    I guess we should stop arguing about anything before it has taken place. So let's not talk about games before they are played, because we won't know what happens untill it happens. I also suggest we stop talking about games after they have been played. Because, what's the use, the outcome can't be changed anymore anyway. So let's just close the forum.
    Absolutely agree.


    in all probablilty will bounce back from a tough sophmore year
    yet

    but how can we possibly know .... he hasen't played one game for us.
    We don't even know how what return we will get on our investment yet, and arguing about it is moot
    so what are you basing the 'probability' on if we can't possibly know?

    Isn't anyone arguing economics doing the same thing, but trying to take it a step further and estimate what that return on investment will be?

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Fuchan wrote: View Post
    Elaine Aiden will be at Raptor games. What the fuck is everyone complaining about?
    That was also one of my first thoughts in July.

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  • Fuchan
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    ebrian wrote: View Post
    Whoa, let's not be rash. We should at least keep the off-topic forums open. Without it I wouldn't have known that Soundgarden is back. Who doesn't love Soundgarden? Black hole sun, am i right?
    Damn right

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  • Fuchan
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    Soft Euro wrote: View Post
    I guess we should stop arguing about anything before it has taken place. So let's not talk about games before they are played, because we won't know what happens untill it happens. I also suggest we stop talking about games after they have been played. Because, what's the use, the outcome can't be changed anymore anyway. So let's just close the forum.
    Thats a mature take on things. I'm just saying, lets give him a chance. He's a good player, and in all probablilty will bounce back from a tough sophmore year

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  • ebrian
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    Whoa, let's not be rash. We should at least keep the off-topic forums open. Without it I wouldn't have known that Soundgarden is back. Who doesn't love Soundgarden? Black hole sun, am i right?

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  • Soft Euro
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    Fuchan wrote: View Post
    We can put value on his past performances, but how can we possibly know if we overpaid if he hasen't played one game for us. What if he has a breakout year? What if he plays worse than last year? We won't know this until the season starts, and suddenly we're arguing about economics. We don't even know how what return we will get on our investment yet, and arguing about it is moot
    I guess we should stop arguing about anything before it has taken place. So let's not talk about games before they are played, because we won't know what happens untill it happens. I also suggest we stop talking about games after they have been played. Because, what's the use, the outcome can't be changed anymore anyway. So let's just close the forum.

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  • Fuchan
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    We can put value on his past performances, but how can we possibly know if we overpaid if he hasen't played one game for us. What if he has a breakout year? What if he plays worse than last year? We won't know this until the season starts, and suddenly we're arguing about economics. We don't even know how what return we will get on our investment yet, and arguing about it is moot

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  • Quirk
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    NoBan wrote: View Post
    justified due to the RFA status
    "Justified Overpayment"

    I don't know whether to laugh or cry. And these are the people who agree with me that Fields is a good acquisition.

    No wonder politicians have such an easy time lying to the public about economics, people refuse to understand even the most basic concepts like price and prefer to think in terms of metaphysical norms.

    Pay no attention to markets, prices come from the gods, even if sometimes you can't buy something for it's "correct" price and thus it's "justified" to "overpay."

    Oy vey.

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  • Fuchan
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    Elaine Aiden will be at Raptor games. What the fuck is everyone complaining about?

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  • NoBan
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    Puffer wrote: View Post
    I count five posters suggesting that he is overpaid and five posters saying no he's not overpaid or that the overpaying is justified because all RFAs are overpaid. so I would say that the title of this thread is not the opposite of the majority.
    OK sorry for continuing to take this to a petty place buuuut....

    of the 10 you count, 5 say "yes, overpaid". and of the other 5, a few still acknowledge the over-payment even though they think it's justified due to the RFA status. Those still count as "yes, overpaid" responses. That would be the majority. So you disagreed with my post while simultaneously proving I was correct. Another poster did the same thing to me in another thread yesterday. What is going on here? Majority or not, this thread has borne out that the opinion that Landry is overpaid is far from "nonsense" and should not be "put to rest"

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  • ebrian
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    Hugmenot wrote: View Post
    I believe the Raptors would have been better served by simply waiting, even a year or two if needed, for a better player to become available - or, if lucky, for one of their players to show tremendous improvement - than to invest so heavily into a player who has yet to demonstrate he is nothing more than a weak starter-quality player / 6th or 7th man.
    I liked this post the best out of this entire thread.

    In our position, we didn't need a player like Landry for the amount we paid for him. I'd much rather wait the 2-3 years it will take for this team to become competitive, and then go out and look for a free agent (if we even need one, given that we already have DeRozan, Kleiza, and just drafted Ross) that we can offer a similar contract to.

    A guy who has 5-7 years of playing well, versus this guy who has played 2 years and played well in one of them.

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  • Puffer
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    NoBan wrote: View Post
    Fair, but making these type of justifications cannot be the norm.



    I love how the title of this thread is pretty much the opposite of the majority of its content
    I count five posters suggesting that he is overpaid and five posters saying no he's not overpaid or that the overpaying is justified because all RFAs are overpaid. so I would say that the title of this thread is not the opposite of the majority.

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  • NoBan
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    CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Is Fields overpaid? Yes.

    Did overpaying Fields by $2M per season hurt the team this offseason? No.

    Is the entire contract and/or the amount by which Fields is overpaid enough to cause concern? No.

    Could Fields' play over the next 3 seaons result in the $6M annual salary being perceived as good value? Yes.
    Fair, but making these type of justifications cannot be the norm.



    I love how the title of this thread is pretty much the opposite of the majority of its content

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  • Hugmenot
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    CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
    Is the entire contract and/or the amount by which Fields is overpaid enough to cause concern? No.
    Is the entire contract a cause of concern? My answer is yes because I believe the Raptors have too many complimentary pieces that are making more than fair market value.

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