Calderon trade rumor shot down

[tkfu]

That's a good point, and I'm a BIG fan of getting rid of Calderon but not to get bogged down with long term contracts of other crappy-to-mediocre players.

If we can't swing for the fences we should just try for a late draft pick trade with a team that gets hit hard with injuries or just wants to loan a backup PG for the playoff run and use the money next off-season.

That's a bit unlikely to work, because of the equal value rule. If you're trading a player to a team over the cap (or who will be over the cap after the trade), you have to take salary back equal to what you send out +/- 10%. And there definitely aren't any playoff teams $11 mil under the cap. (Don't forget Jose's 5% trade kicker.) I'd be perfectly happy to keep Jose for the rest of the season and then let his contract expire. I think he'll be way, way, way better for the second unit than JL3--our young big men need development, and for that they need a PG who will actually find them on their rolls instead of looking to shoot all the time.

[tkfu]

Perhaps CT2010 wasn't necessarily talking about "trade value" in Jose's expiring contract. After all, $10 million coming off the books next summer is far better [for the Raptors] than having Blake and Duhon on the roster. In other words, no deal would be better than this rumoured deal.

I totally agree.

[Bendit]

maybe, but I don't think BC would ever give him away like this trade suggests. Steve Blake and Duhon are not bringing back anything of value, and even if you don't think Jose is a good point guard, his 10mil expiring does have value. A lot more than that supposed deal suggests.

To clarify, I did not intend to indicate that the players being discussed coming back were a serious exchange. My only point was that a float of a bogus trade with arbitrary players satisfies the objective....and that is getting the client's name (jc) in the news and get some attention by basketball execs. Maybe I am being too conspiratorial.

[Letter N]

Perhaps CT2010 wasn't necessarily talking about "trade value" in Jose's expiring contract. After all, $10 million coming off the books next summer is far better [for the Raptors] than having Blake and Duhon on the roster. In other words, no deal would be better than this rumoured deal.

That's a good point, and I'm a BIG fan of getting rid of Calderon but not to get bogged down with long term contracts of other crappy-to-mediocre players.

If we can't swing for the fences we should just try for a late draft pick trade with a team that gets hit hard with injuries or just wants to loan a backup PG for the playoff run and use the money next off-season.

[Nilanka]

Here's the thing about expiring contracts: they only have value to teams looking to clear cap space, and teams with bad contracts they want to unload. Now, sometimes there can be value in taking on a bad contract to get some picks, or a promising cheap young player. But those deals aren't always out there. So I hope something gets done, but at the moment I just can't think of a teams that 1. would want Jose and 2. has pieces the Raps would want/be willing to take in return.

I think we just have to wait and see if a market develops; maybe all of the Knicks PGs crash and burn, maybe Jeff Teague turns out to be Jameer Nelson 2.0 and Atlanta panics, maybe Rick Carlisle gets fed up with Collison's ADHD-style play and decides he can't be a starting PG, maybe the Pacers get off to a slow start and worry that Hill just isn't the guy to get the ball to their scorers. I could imagine a lot of situations developing where teams would decide they really need a solid, veteran PG, especially near the trade deadline when the raps have already paid most of his salary. But I just don't see it happening before then.

Perhaps CT2010 wasn't necessarily talking about "trade value" in Jose's expiring contract. After all, $10 million coming off the books next summer is far better [for the Raptors] than having Blake and Duhon on the roster. In other words, no deal would be better than this rumoured deal.

[tkfu]

maybe, but I don't think BC would ever give him away like this trade suggests. Steve Blake and Duhon are not bringing back anything of value, and even if you don't think Jose is a good point guard, his 10mil expiring does have value. A lot more than that supposed deal suggests.

Here's the thing about expiring contracts: they only have value to teams looking to clear cap space, and teams with bad contracts they want to unload. Now, sometimes there can be value in taking on a bad contract to get some picks, or a promising cheap young player. But those deals aren't always out there. So I hope something gets done, but at the moment I just can't think of a teams that 1. would want Jose and 2. has pieces the Raps would want/be willing to take in return.

I think we just have to wait and see if a market develops; maybe all of the Knicks PGs crash and burn, maybe Jeff Teague turns out to be Jameer Nelson 2.0 and Atlanta panics, maybe Rick Carlisle gets fed up with Collison's ADHD-style play and decides he can't be a starting PG, maybe the Pacers get off to a slow start and worry that Hill just isn't the guy to get the ball to their scorers. I could imagine a lot of situations developing where teams would decide they really need a solid, veteran PG, especially near the trade deadline when the raps have already paid most of his salary. But I just don't see it happening before then.

[CT2010]

I agree. This trade may sound like bs but it may be in the "where there's smoke, there's fire" category. It seems early in the season to have talk of this but it also seems too early in the season for Marc Stein to have to bother shooting something down. Maybe they've seen enough of jl3 to trigger it. Maybe JC has one of Bryan's famous "gentlemans agreement"s saying that he'll find a place for Jose if he's going to become a back up. The timing of this just seems odd.

maybe, but I don't think BC would ever give him away like this trade suggests. Steve Blake and Duhon are not bringing back anything of value, and even if you don't think Jose is a good point guard, his 10mil expiring does have value. A lot more than that supposed deal suggests.

[Jclaw]

It's not been unheard of about agents trying to push the envelope by keeping his client's name in the news/float a trial balloon about players. This is just a more discreet but yet public way of asking that the pace be moved up to move their client. Jose's agent himself may have been behind the tweet...and then gets to deny it!

I agree. This trade may sound like bs but it may be in the "where there's smoke, there's fire" category. It seems early in the season to have talk of this but it also seems too early in the season for Marc Stein to have to bother shooting something down. Maybe they've seen enough of jl3 to trigger it. Maybe JC has one of Bryan's famous "gentlemans agreement"s saying that he'll find a place for Jose if he's going to become a back up. The timing of this just seems odd.

[Bendit]

It's not been unheard of about agents trying to push the envelope by keeping his client's name in the news/float a trial balloon about players. This is just a more discreet but yet public way of asking that the pace be moved up to move their client. Jose's agent himself may have been behind the tweet...and then gets to deny it!

[DoNDaDDa]

Touche. I don't have too much love for Ebanks, but I'm just not sure what we could get in return from LA...I really don't want Steve Blake

Steve Nash! LOL

for real though... i wouldnt help the lakers at all..

[pillowmint]

I agree with you that the raps have treated calderon poorly, I wouldn't be surprised if he never signs with us again. The only difference is I couldn't care less about calderon's feelings, he isn't enough of a game changer/core piece moving forward. IMO he has more value to us expiring than bringing goddamn ebanks, who the hell is that again (just kidding)

Touche. I don't have too much love for Ebanks, but I'm just not sure what we could get in return from LA...I really don't want Steve Blake

[akashsingh]

Listen, you need to check your 'Raptor fan since day 1' attitude friend. We're all Raps fans here.

Calderon has been an absolute prince when it comes to his name being thrown in the trade talk, he never bitches or complains, it's admirable. Also, he's been a part of a predominantly losing team since his stay with the Raptors, at some point that has to wear on a player. So when he said he would love to be a part of Lakers, I can actually sympathize with the guy. He's never quit on our team, always plays hard, and how have rewarded that? Attempted trades, and at best a decent squad. Sure we've also given him good money, but there are a lot of players making good money and treating their team/fan base as if we're a thorn in their side (see Eric Gordon..unreal).
As for the trade, what can I say, I like Ebanks, I don't want 4 PG's and I think we've overpaid Amir and he's never been consistant (please don't try and convince me that this is the year).

Again, we're all Raptor fans here, we just see things differently. Cheers.

I agree with you that the raps have treated calderon poorly, I wouldn't be surprised if he never signs with us again. The only difference is I couldn't care less about calderon's feelings, he isn't enough of a game changer/core piece moving forward. IMO he has more value to us expiring than bringing goddamn ebanks, who the hell is that again (just kidding)

[pillowmint]

Listen, you need to check your 'Raptor fan since day 1' attitude friend. We're all Raps fans here.

Calderon has been an absolute prince when it comes to his name being thrown in the trade talk, he never bitches or complains, it's admirable. Also, he's been a part of a predominantly losing team since his stay with the Raptors, at some point that has to wear on a player. So when he said he would love to be a part of Lakers, I can actually sympathize with the guy. He's never quit on our team, always plays hard, and how have rewarded that? Attempted trades, and at best a decent squad. Sure we've also given him good money, but there are a lot of players making good money and treating their team/fan base as if we're a thorn in their side (see Eric Gordon..unreal).
As for the trade, what can I say, I like Ebanks, I don't want 4 PG's and I think we've overpaid Amir and he's never been consistant (please don't try and convince me that this is the year).

Again, we're all Raptor fans here, we just see things differently. Cheers.

[Nilanka]

Deal makes no sense for the Raptors. It's like when Bart traded Homer a doorstop for a cupcake.

[akashsingh]

I'd actually say the rumor is probably pretty close to true. I'm sure it doesn't work in trade machine now, and I'm sure we're not after 4 PG's, but LA has long wanted to get it's hands on Calderon, and vice-a-versa. He would love to be a Laker. I'd be happy for Jose too, I think he'd legit bring them closer to a ring, but with his health issues it's not like LA all of a sudden has a very healthy back court. Give me Ebanks and trade Amir, and I'd be a happy camper. Either way, it'll be very interesting to see what we hear next.

umm why don't you go support the lakers then? I'd rather let jose's contract expire and amnesty amir than do what you are suggesting.