Brian Colangelo's legacy in Toronto

[Nilanka]

The Raptors traded the draft rights to the 17th pick. Which basically meant they were selecting for Indiana and then the trade would happen after the draft took place (as Toronto was forced to make a 1st round selection due to NBA rules).

My point though was it really doesn't matter that Toronto selected for Indiana. Had Toronto not traded the pick they'd still have had the option of drafting Hibbert, and thereby still traded the option of drafting Hibbert. Given Toronto's desire for a C at the time, the idea of drafting Hibbert isn't exactly a long shot. While Toronto may not have drafted him, they may have aswell. No one can say one way or the other as it never took place. (and anyone who says Hibbert wasn't talked about, we can just point to Ross, Ed and Val... none of which were in any serious discussion of being drafted until the draft took place)

One can either look at it as Toronto traded the option of selecting Hibbert, or traded the 17th pick (which was Hibbert himself). In the end its 6 of one or half a dozen of the other.

I don't disagree. Now matter how we look at it, Colangelo traded a 1st round pick for a player who was gone before the end of the year.

[Craiger]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we picked Hibbert on Pacers' behalf.

The Raptors traded the draft rights to the 17th pick. Which basically meant they were selecting for Indiana and then the trade would happen after the draft took place (as Toronto was forced to make a 1st round selection due to NBA rules).

My point though was it really doesn't matter that Toronto selected for Indiana. Had Toronto not traded the pick they'd still have had the option of drafting Hibbert, and thereby still traded the option of drafting Hibbert. Given Toronto's desire for a C at the time, the idea of drafting Hibbert isn't exactly a long shot. While Toronto may not have drafted him, they may have aswell. No one can say one way or the other as it never took place. (and anyone who says Hibbert wasn't talked about, we can just point to Ross, Ed and Val... none of which were in any serious discussion of being drafted until the draft took place)

One can either look at it as Toronto traded the option of selecting Hibbert, or traded the 17th pick (which was Hibbert himself). In the end its 6 of one or half a dozen of the other.

[Craiger]

hibbert wouldn't have helped things at the time (prevented bosh from leaving) he had very little impact his first couple of years in the league

and so therefore there was no chance Hibbert would have been selected?

[Nilanka]

Notable players drafted after Hibbert in 2008:

- JaVale McGee
- JJ Hickson
- Ryan Anderson
- Courtney Lee
- Serge Ibaka
- Nic Batum
- George Hill
- DeAndre Jordan
- Omer Asik
- Luc Mbah A Moute
- Goran Dragic

[Mack North]

hibbert wouldn't have helped things at the time (prevented bosh from leaving) he had very little impact his first couple of years in the league

Precisely. I forget the other names being bandied about for us at the time, but I recall them saying he wasn't really in our mix.

[akashsingh]

What would have kept him from being Toronto's pick? The fact that Toronto traded for O'neal is evidence they wanted a C, and Hibbert was right in and around that range in alot of mock drafts.

There is as much evidence that they would have picked him as not. Either way the pick they did trade was Hibbert, so in essence they traded Hibbert for O'neal.

hibbert wouldn't have helped things at the time (prevented bosh from leaving) he had very little impact his first couple of years in the league

[Nilanka]

I thought we drafted Hibbert because that was who Indiana had the hots for!

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we picked Hibbert on Pacers' behalf.

[Stahmenah_Vybz]

What would have kept him from being Toronto's pick? The fact that Toronto traded for O'neal is evidence they wanted a C, and Hibbert was right in and around that range in alot of mock drafts.

There is as much evidence that they would have picked him as not. Either way the pick they did trade was Hibbert, so in essence they traded Hibbert for O'neal.

I thought we drafted Hibbert because that was who Indiana had the hots for!

[DoNDaDDa]

dont forget Rondo was in bargs draft too..& Sonny is a scrub..he can stay were he is

[Axel]

its funny, but for all the issues at SF we've had over the years, and yet we traded away a guy like Delfino who's actually quite effective. I never really understood what happened there.

But the Delfino deal was one of the better moves. Amir and Sonny fit well into the young athletic mold the team was building, and both still do. Bring back Sonny!!

[Axel]

I can't find an article confirming, but I seem to remember that Aldridge came out and said he wasn't interested in coming to Toronto, so drafting a 7 foot sharp-shooter with better athleticism than Dirk was the only choice to make. Even if LA hadn't made those comments, drafting Bargnani was the right pick at the time. Hindsight with drafting is too easy. Technically speaking, I'd argue that the player to draft from that class should have been Rajon Rondo, but I would have been laughed at if I had tried to argue him for the top pick back then.

You could also add Rudy Gay and Kyle Lowry to that discussion (and Brandon Roy if you don't count injuries). Either way, the Raps picked at the top of one of the weakest drafts ever. Can't knock them for taking one of the 5 (or 6 if you count Roy) best players in that draft. That is still a heck of a lot better than a lot of top picks. I'm sure there were people back then who wanted Adam Morrison taking #1, so at least BC got that one right.

[Craiger]

*BRYAN Colangelo's legacy will be two Daniel Stern trophies(once they rename it in 10 years). Until then he'll keep selling us on crap every year.

Can we please stop with the Roy Hibbert pick. He wasn't likely to be our pick anyways, we drafted him only to trade him for JO who was a proven commodity back then.

What would have kept him from being Toronto's pick? The fact that Toronto traded for O'neal is evidence they wanted a C, and Hibbert was right in and around that range in alot of mock drafts.

There is as much evidence that they would have picked him as not. Either way the pick they did trade was Hibbert, so in essence they traded Hibbert for O'neal.

[Craiger]

we had chris bosh as our pf why draft aldrige ???the only prob is thinking bargs was a center

Not drafting a player, especially when you are in the lottery let alone the #1 pick, because you have someone else already at that position should never be a reason or an excuse. This entire scenario is a great example of why.

[Mack North]

*BRYAN Colangelo's legacy will be two Daniel Stern trophies(once they rename it in 10 years). Until then he'll keep selling us on crap every year.

Can we please stop with the Roy Hibbert pick. He wasn't likely to be our pick anyways, we drafted him only to trade him for JO who was a proven commodity back then.

[ab7]

we had chris bosh as our pf why draft aldrige ???the only prob is thinking bargs was a center