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  • Sam Mitchell was right

    to bench Bargs when he did not put out effort. He should have learned back then before he earned his 50 mil contract.

    Colangelo fired him for taking a stand and we have had to suffer for years since.

    I can watch Calderon get destroyed by tier 3 guards like Darren Collison because he is playing his ass off ...but when I see the listless effort of 3-point-line-dwelling bargsofti I have to change the channel... it is unwatchable.


    slow starts?
    can't finish games?
    look at video of bargsofti and you have your answer - best hope is to turn him in to 6th man on a short leash - better yet trade him for a jug of Gatoraid and some medical tape.
    Last edited by charlz; Wed Nov 14th, 2012, 01:17 PM.
    "I may be wrong ... but I doubt it"

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    charlz wrote: View Post
    ...but when I see the listless effort of 3-point-line-dwelling bargsofti I have to change the chanel...
    It's important to remember that too much perfume is just as bad as no perfume, you don't want to overpower the senses. Think of perfume as salt on a meal, too little is bland and too much is off-putting, but just the right amount and you'll have them salivating

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    • #3
      letter n wrote: View Post
      it's important to remember that too much perfume is just as bad as no perfume, you don't want to overpower the senses. Think of perfume as salt on a meal, too little is bland and too much is off-putting, but just the right amount and you'll have them salivating
      wtf?
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      • #4
        Axel wrote: View Post
        wtf?
        change the chanel...
        Chanel is a perfume, channel is what charlz is turning so he doesn't gouge out his eyes watching AB
        LET'S GO RAP-TORS!!!!!

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        • #5
          Letter N wrote: View Post
          It's important to remember that too much perfume is just as bad as no perfume, you don't want to overpower the senses. Think of perfume as salt on a meal, too little is bland and too much is off-putting, but just the right amount and you'll have them salivating
          Best post ever!!!
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          • #6
            The only thing Sam Mitchell has was his suits and the ability to interview well to get the job. Everyone loves Smitch but putting me as far away from those types as possible. Typical Raptor fans looking at the glory days but forgetting what the roster was like. Back to back playoffs weren't from his coaching prowess rather a deep roster with savvy veterans and the emergence of CB4.

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            • #7
              RAPresenting wrote: View Post
              The only thing Sam Mitchell has was his suits and the ability to interview well to get the job. Everyone loves Smitch but putting me as far away from those types as possible. Typical Raptor fans looking at the glory days but forgetting what the roster was like. Back to back playoffs weren't from his coaching prowess rather a deep roster with savvy veterans and the emergence of CB4.
              Those early BC era Sam Mitchell coached teams were comparetively as young as this team. The make up of those teams in general are eeriely similar to this squad aswell (as has the start to this season been).

              Those teams ended up with Defense Ratings very close to this team now, but a much better offensive rating.

              Sam was a perfectly capable coach, who was given 2 mandates from above that didn't run parrallel - win games and play Bargnani. I just hope Casey has the balls to do what Sam did, and the clout to not get fired if he does.

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              • #8
                RAPresenting wrote: View Post
                The only thing Sam Mitchell has was his suits and the ability to interview well to get the job. Everyone loves Smitch but putting me as far away from those types as possible. Typical Raptor fans looking at the glory days but forgetting what the roster was like. Back to back playoffs weren't from his coaching prowess rather a deep roster with savvy veterans and the emergence of CB4.
                This is crazy talk. How many coaches failed to miss the playoffs with a fully "emerged" young big man or a deep roster of savvy veterans? To simply discount a person's coaching ability because he had a good team is stupid. By that logic we shouldn't have signed Dwane Casey then, because he had the use of a DPOY candidate (Chandler) with Dallas, and Dirk Nowitzki?
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                • #9
                  the thing i liked about smitch is he never held back anything...if u werent performing he let u know it..didnt matter if you were a d league scrub or 5 time all-star.

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                  • #10
                    Craiger wrote: View Post
                    Those early BC era Sam Mitchell coached teams were comparetively as young as this team. The make up of those teams in general are eeriely similar to this squad aswell (as has the start to this season been).

                    Those teams ended up with Defense Ratings very close to this team now, but a much better offensive rating.

                    Sam was a perfectly capable coach, who was given 2 mandates from above that didn't run parrallel - win games and play Bargnani. I just hope Casey has the balls to do what Sam did, and the clout to not get fired if he does.
                    They were competitive yes no question but the two years with success the only young players who were seeing time were Bosh and Dre. TJ and Jose were a two headed monster and they had solid vets like Parker, Garbo and Mo pet on the wing. Rasho played solid minutes for them as well. The offense was better because they had shooters and the two point guards who were playing well and healthy. I think it was more the roster then Sams coaching.

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                    • #11
                      ebrian wrote: View Post
                      This is crazy talk. How many coaches failed to miss the playoffs with a fully "emerged" young big man or a deep roster of savvy veterans? To simply discount a person's coaching ability because he had a good team is stupid. By that logic we shouldn't have signed Dwane Casey then, because he had the use of a DPOY candidate (Chandler) with Dallas, and Dirk Nowitzki?
                      He didn't even do much coaching and other then Bosh is player development was piss poor. The offense looked great because the player who were all high basketball IQ which didn't come from him. I'm discounting his coaching ability because of his player development, plays drawn up and timing of time outs called. Mitchell was a great personality but don't you think there is a reaosn he hasn't landed a job since? The worst thing that happened to the Raptors was him winning coach of the year as BC's hands were tied and had to give him an extention. The turn around in the record in the year he won COY was because he was handed over a completely different roster with players who knew how to play and was in the worst devision in basketball nothig more. Crazy talk is thinking he was so great lol he's so great that he can't get a job...

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                      • #12
                        RAPresenting wrote: View Post
                        They were competitive yes no question but the two years with success the only young players who were seeing time were Bosh and Dre. TJ and Jose were a two headed monster and they had solid vets like Parker, Garbo and Mo pet on the wing. Rasho played solid minutes for them as well. The offense was better because they had shooters and the two point guards who were playing well and healthy. I think it was more the roster then Sams coaching.
                        I completely agree the roster had a more significant impact on the team than coaching.... but no one is calling him Phil Jackson or Jerry Sloan either. Like I said he was perfectly capable. And just like the teams rise to one of its best seasons in history wasn't due to Sam, its fall from grace wasn't due to Sam either. Rather the teams problems were its weakening roster (injuries, trades, replacing FAs). Sam just became the scape goat. He was doing exactly what he had been doing - trying to scratch out wins on a mediocre team that was playing in an increasing improving conference

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                        • #13
                          charlz wrote: View Post
                          to bench Bargs when he did not put out effort. He should have learned back then before he earned his 50 mil contract.
                          Colangelo fired him for taking a stand and we have had to suffer for years since.

                          I can watch Calderon get destroyed by tier 3 guards like Darren Collison because he is playing his ass off ...but when I see the listless effort of 3-point-line-dwelling bargsofti I have to change the chanel... it is unwatchable.


                          slow starts?
                          can't finish games?
                          look at video of bargsofti and you have your answer - best hope is to turn him in to 6th man on a short leash - better yet trade him for a jug of Gatoraid and some medical tape.
                          On the contrary, i think it actually screwed us up. If Sam Mitchell was sane enough to think that this guy was drafted 1st overall and would assumingly carry the franchise one day, then instead of benching him he shouldve given him more minutes and at the same time taught him about putting in 200% effort and guiding him to play harder and with more passion. The problem is, he probably put forth first his bloated ego thinking no rookie should insubordinate him.

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                          • #14
                            DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
                            the thing i liked about smitch is he never held back anything...if u werent performing he let u know it..didnt matter if you were a d league scrub or 5 time all-star.
                            Im fine with this, he should, as a coach, get in his player's faces and tell them to smarten up. But you dont bench them. Specially not a #1 pick.

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                            • #15
                              charlz wrote: View Post
                              to bench Bargs when he did not put out effort. He should have learned back then before he earned his 50 mil contract.
                              Colangelo fired him for taking a stand and we have had to suffer for years since.

                              I can watch Calderon get destroyed by tier 3 guards like Darren Collison because he is playing his ass off ...but when I see the listless effort of 3-point-line-dwelling bargsofti I have to change the chanel... it is unwatchable.


                              slow starts?
                              can't finish games?
                              look at video of bargsofti and you have your answer - best hope is to turn him in to 6th man on a short leash - better yet trade him for a jug of Gatoraid and some medical tape.
                              DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
                              the thing i liked about smitch is he never held back anything...if u werent performing he let u know it..didnt matter if you were a d league scrub or 5 time all-star.

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