WoW article: DeMar DeRozan is no Vince Carter

[NoPropsneeded]

+1

The way he plays reminds me a bit of Anderson Varejao and that's a very good thing in my opinion.

You guys are under valuing him way too much. Y'all are in for a big surprise. Andrerson Varejao? you must be on some real good shit man. This dude is putting up 8.5 Points, 5.3 Rebounds and 0.6 Blocks in 20 Minutes! Those stats adjusted to 30 mins is 12.7 Points, 8 rebounds, and 1 block. Those are very very good stats, better than Varejao's career stats lmao. He's going to be an elite top 3 C in the league easy.

[enlightenment]

Pessimism is not the same thing as realism, and being down on a certain player doesn't mean you're down on the whole team. Just keep that in mind.

"Now, if the point is, "he will one day not be one of the worst players in the NBA" then I guess you're right, but I think the point is how he's becoming useful, which he isn't." - From Brandon a few posts up

Realistically, Demar is a good, yet slightly inefficient, scorer for his position. Him being 23 along with his current trend of improvement project an increase in Demar's effectiveness as the years go by.

Optimistically, Demar is great enough to be part of a deep playoff starting rotation, in a few years can reach All-Star status!

Pessimistically, Demar is crap, he will never be good, lets abandon hope.

Now, which of these 3 would you categorize Brandon's quote under?

[NoPropsneeded]

Jonas is not "elite" talent. If he was, what does that make Dwight Howard, DeAndre Jordan, Tyson Chandler or "insert name of any coordinated starting center"? I think he has the potential to be a Joakim Noah with a much prettier jumpshot. Just my opinion though.

Anthony Davis is an "elite" talent.

Lmao did you just call Deandre jordan elite? he's not even close to elite. Jonas is easily going to be better than Deandre and Chandler EASILY!

[Lark Benson]

Pessimism and fans do NOT mix well.

Pessimism is not the same thing as realism, and being down on a certain player doesn't mean you're down on the whole team. Just keep that in mind.

[enlightenment]

unreal, isn't it??

Pessimism and fans do NOT mix well.

[Lark Benson]

lol, if you're unable to appreciate the advancements in DD's game this year, and actually enjoy:

"My favourite part: [DeRozan] was the second or third least productive guard/forward in the league last year...",,,,,, note "last year"

HUH???? Your fav part is last year's review that disses a player giving his all for "your team", and showing improvement in damn near every area of his game THIS YEAR ? Some people here truly need professional help, or get past puberty to be happy.

I get where he's coming from. For most people, whether a basketball player is 'good' or not is a subjective measure that's valued in highlight reel plays, box score stats and untapped potential. Trying to explain to someone that's a casual fan of the sport that an exciting but flawed player isn't very productive can be frustrating. A lot of people outside of these forums (and even some that frequent them) aren't concerned with things like efficiency, turnover rate and the like because watching the game casually doesn't really allow you to get a good sense of what's happening aside from the 'end result' of each possession.

For all of DeRozan's improvements this year, he's still a very average player AT THIS TIME, and he and Bargs have been effectively sabotaging the Raptors from within for the past 3 years. If you replaced DD with Jason Terry, right away the team would be significantly more dangerous offensively. Two years from now? Probably exactly the opposite. And that's the tough thing about advanced stats: they can give you a very accurate picture of what has happened in the past, but they can no more predict the future than you or I.

What they CAN tell us is that DeRozan is still a high volume, low efficiency player that struggles to bring more to the table than just scoring. It's up to DeRozan to change what the stats tell us.

[Soft Euro]

Jonas is not "elite" talent. If he was, what does that make Dwight Howard, DeAndre Jordan, Tyson Chandler or "insert name of any coordinated starting center"? I think he has the potential to be a Joakim Noah with a much prettier jumpshot. Just my opinion though.

Anthony Davis is an "elite" talent.

Noah with a pretty jumper. You might not find that elite, but I'm pretty much salivating thinking about it. I also happen to think that's slightly a lot better than DeAndre Jordan.

[Brandon]

^^^^

There you go Nilanka.

[The Great One]

http://www.goodwinsports.com/2012/11...snet-magazine/ another write up about Demar in SportsNet Magazine

Now that's a good read.

DeMar DeRozan is going to be an All-Star one day. I'm willing to bet on it.

As for elite talents. I think Lowry is one of the best PG's in the game. And Jonas i think has a chance to be an elite C.

[p00ka]

man, and I used to like raptor fans..

unreal, isn't it??

[p00ka]

lol, if you're unable to appreciate the advancements in DD's game this year, and actually enjoy:

"My favourite part: [DeRozan] was the second or third least productive guard/forward in the league last year...",,,,,, note "last year"

HUH???? Your fav part is last year's review that disses a player giving his all for "your team", and showing improvement in damn near every area of his game THIS YEAR ? Some people here truly need professional help, or get past puberty to be happy.

[enlightenment]

man, and I used to like raptor fans..

[Brandon]

I sincerely hope there aren't any Raptor fans who believe there's "elite" level talent on this roster...aside from Lowry (which is debatable).

Well, there are some currently popular threads about how Derozan is x, y, and z and that's encouraging and he'll "only get better", and he's "improving" and so on and so forth. Now, if the point is, "he will one day not be one of the worst players in the NBA" then I guess you're right, but I think the point is how he's becoming useful, which he isn't.

This season so far is shaping up a lot like last year in these forums, or how I remember it. A lot of people, who I end up blocking due to irrationality, talking about these guys and me posting the team's record, which is 2 or 3 losses for every win, and then a bunch of personal attacks against me for the heresy of pointing out that, with all of these impressive players, they're victoriously challenged. And a joke around the league.

So now they're talking gobbledygook about bad players with big contracts instead of organizing resistance and criticism and protest of the regime. Look what happened in Hell-A with the Dodgers. The fans forced that guy to sell the ball club to good owners, and now they're bringing in talent.

[Hugmenot]

Jonas is not "elite" talent.

+1

The way he plays reminds me a bit of Anderson Varejao and that's a very good thing in my opinion.

[Stahmenah_Vybz]

http://www.goodwinsports.com/2012/11...snet-magazine/ another write up about Demar in SportsNet Magazine