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  • #2
    We are totally where we need to be!
    3-12 with regression in just about every aspect? Who wouldn't love that!

    #Sarcasm
    Biggest Raptors fan from the Land Down Under

    @alexhaggispinch

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    • #3
      Doug Smith doesn't drink the kool-aid. He makes the kool-aid.

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      • #4
        Your first issue is wasting your time reading Doug Smith.

        Second, it wasn't fans talking about playoffs it was Colangelo and Casey. I expected this team to be garbage, so I'm not surprised but that doesn't mean that Colangelo and company get a pass. I'm holding them to their words as should all fans.

        Where they should be. Bullshit. If Colangelo thought this was a high lottery team he wouldn't have traded that pick for Lowry. Or signed Fields. This roster was built to compete. Sad as that seems.

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        • #5
          By the way, Grange was spewing similar nonsense on twitter last night. The MLSE PR department must have given them their talking points yesterday.

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          • #6
            just a quick question some one tell what derozan has done statisticaly to deserve that new found respect the numbers are about the same the only difference is 0.4 in passing and about a rebound more u need to show it to me because i dont see it

            DD got 37 points on 16 of 33 vs the jazz
            dd got 29 points on 11 of 28 vs spurs

            two of his best games sooo

            i just think we don't have that player

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            • #7
              ab7 wrote: View Post
              just a quick question some one tell what derozan has done statisticaly to deserve that new found respect the numbers are about the same the only difference is 0.4 in passing and about a rebound more u need to show it to me because i dont see it

              DD got 37 points on 16 of 33 vs the jazz
              dd got 29 points on 11 of 28 vs spurs

              two of his best games sooo

              i just think we don't have that player
              I'd rather have him then bargnani. Bargnani needs to go ASAP

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              • #8
                No one is saying that DeMar is the answer, but, he plays defense and tries to rebounds which makes him a usable piece.

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                • #9
                  He has been the Raps best player which isnt saying much .....but if he actually got the 15 or so fouls that was committed on him those numbers would look a lot better .....and anything is better the primo pasta period

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                  • #10
                    well-written. you should take over the toronto star raptor piece. doug smith never has any worthwhile insight just excuses,
                    in masai we trust

                    water covers 98% of the earth, Mitchell Robinson covers the other 2%

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                    • #11
                      I don't think BC getting fired is panicking. The Raptors are not where they are supposed to be after bringing in the players they acquired. they are pretty healthy and still are lackluster team, 3-13 is what i would expect from a team like the Wizards with no John Wall ..I am not saying put the team on a fire sell but BC has led this team down the wrong path, I do not blame the players or Casey that much.

                      BC has had this job way too long, and in a weak Eastern Conference and division for many years he got us to the playoffs once, that is sad.

                      I also won't buy the rebuilding card, we made the playoffs in 2006-2007, and by then the rebuilding period was over. He tried to speed it up by acquiring Jermaine O'neal and it has been downhill ever since. Fine we lose Bosh, well then that gives cap space for another free agent, and a high draft pick, yet we might not rebuild through the draft if we keep trading away first round picks.

                      I didn't expect them to be a playoff team or anything but i did expect progress, I am a bit concerned that they are better on paper yet have played as poorly as last years Raptors.

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                      • #12
                        Just because fans have higher expectations for the season doesn't mean that those expectations are realistic or should set the bar.

                        I'd like to point out that oddsmakers (who, despite what you may think, know a shitload more about professional sports and about the NBA than any of us posting here do) put the Raps between about 32 and 34 wins across many books.

                        So who do you think had the more realistic expectations, the people who make billions of dollars taking money from people with high expectations, or the fans?

                        http://www.beyondthebets.com/odds-co...s-sportsbooks/

                        It's early in the season, the schedule has been rough and the team isn't performing up to par, but so what? Why does this season matter aside from development? Let things play out, if they're still in the basement at the all-star break and haven't shown signs of improving, then you can argue for drastic changes. Until then, any knee-jerk reactions are just going to set the team back further.
                        Last edited by Lark Benson; Thu Nov 29th, 2012, 03:17 AM.

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                        • #13
                          I don't really like Doug Smith, but I thought we would win our 5th game in 2013. I think we can do it sooner now, so we're still ahead of where I thought we'd be. I don't read his column (at all) to be able to tell you if he has made a 180 degree turn or not. Maybe someone more familiar with his stuff can confirm but I remember plenty of media buying into what Colangelo was spewing during the offseason.

                          Here's the way I saw it -- Colangelo traded away our first round pick. Then he started talking about playoffs. Did you honestly think he would do that and not talk about playoffs?

                          "Hey guys, we're going to be a lottery team again but we traded away the pick so this is another throw away season."

                          -- not something a GM/coach would say to the media and fans.
                          your pal,
                          ebrian

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                          • #14
                            Lark Benson wrote: View Post
                            Just because fans have higher expectations for the season doesn't mean that those expectations are realistic or should set the bar.

                            I'd like to point out that oddsmakers (who, despite what you may think, know a shitload more about professional sports and about the NBA than any of us posting here do) put the Raps between about 32 and 34 wins across many books.

                            So who do you think had the more realistic expectations, the people who make billions of dollars taking money from people with high expectations, or the fans?

                            http://www.beyondthebets.com/odds-co...s-sportsbooks/

                            It's early in the season, the schedule has been rough and the team isn't performing up to par, but so what? Why does this season matter aside from development? Let things play out, if they're still in the basement at the all-star break and haven't shown signs of improving, then you can argue for drastic changes. Until then, any knee-jerk reactions are just going to set the team back further.
                            I don't think the problem is with fans expectations so much as it is with this organization expectations. Fans will always give you a wide spectrum of opinions based on a myraid of different things.

                            This offseason and towards the end of last season Colangelo not only made statements in attempt to raise excitment about the team (accelerated rebuild, goal of the playoffs etc), but made moves with the clear indication he was expected a relative level of success (playoffs).

                            I don't think firing or replacing Colangelo (or other significant moves such as trading Bargnani) is a knee jerk reaction. This is the 2nd time he, for lack of another term, has been on the chopping block (atleast the fans). To others he was a mistake to resign the first time. At the very least he is coming up to the end of his 2nd chance. If MLSE (Bell/Rogers) begins to think replacing him is a good idea, it may be just as good to let him go rather than keep a lame duck GM. In general change has been a long time in coming, actually starting to make that necessary change after 4+ years is not knee jerk. Its a slow and steady deterioration of knee.

                            As for the odds maker I think its important to remember their job isn't to get it right. Its to try and predict how wrong the public is willing to be. In gambling the house never needs to be right and they don't try to be. Now I don't think there is anything wrong with using their over-unders or spreads to get an unbias opinion of roughly what others think of the team, but its not a statement. Its a prediction of where they can draw the most bets.

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                            • #15
                              I would have no problem with giving the "interim GM" title back to Embry. Remember how much cap space he cleared in preparation for Colangelo to take over?

                              This team needs to clean house (players and management), collect draft picks, and completely start over. Embry's the perfect person for the job and is already on staff!

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