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  • BasketballCrush
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    They have a link on the main page and all teams are ranked by position.

    I believe we were 29th out of 30 at SF.

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  • The Coach
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    BasketballCrush wrote: View Post
    This is why I like 82games.com for their plus minus. It is a Simple rating and takes into account the team production while the player is on the floor and production while they are off. It also looks at the opposing position and adjust for that. You will find that Amir is on top and Jose is actually better for the team than Lowry (marginly), when D and O are accounted for.


    I am not worried about JV's and TR's Simple rating that much, because they will make mistakes and the first two seasons the team must find a way to incorporate them and give them as much minutes while minimizing pain. Development costs steam.
    Thanks for the link... looks like a nice stat. How bad our are SF's in that graphic!?... ugh.

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  • BasketballCrush
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    The Coach wrote: View Post
    For interests sake, our top 2 line combinations at +15 and +12 (dis)respectfully are:
    Calderon, DeRozan, Anderson, Bargs, Amir
    Calderon, DeRozan, McGuire, Bargs, Amir

    In fact Amir and Calderon are our best 2-man combination (for +/-) and Amir Johnson is in ALL of our top 6 2-man combos:
    Amir and Calderon
    Amir and Lowry
    Amir and Bargs
    Amir and Ross
    Amir and DeRozan
    Amir and Pietrus

    Can I totally revert my initial thread, show my JV love and ask for Amir to play with JV... that should help JV's plus/minus!
    This is why I like 82games.com for their plus minus. It is a Simple rating and takes into account the team production while the player is on the floor and production while they are off. It also looks at the opposing position and adjust for that. You will find that Amir is on top and Jose is actually better for the team than Lowry (marginly), when D and O are accounted for.


    I am not worried about JV's and TR's Simple rating that much, because they will make mistakes and the first two seasons the team must find a way to incorporate them and give them as much minutes while minimizing pain. Development costs steam.
    Last edited by BasketballCrush; Thu Dec 13, 2012, 10:07 PM.

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  • RAPresenting
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    The Coach wrote: View Post
    For interests sake, our top 2 line combinations at +15 and +12 (dis)respectfully are:
    Calderon, DeRozan, Anderson, Bargs, Amir
    Calderon, DeRozan, McGuire, Bargs, Amir

    In fact Amir and Calderon are our best 2-man combination (for +/-) and Amir Johnson is in ALL of our top 6 2-man combos:
    Amir and Calderon
    Amir and Lowry
    Amir and Bargs
    Amir and Ross
    Amir and DeRozan
    Amir and Pietrus

    Can I totally revert my initial thread, show my JV love and ask for Amir to play with JV... that should help JV's plus/minus!
    I`m surprised that no one has responded to this. Impressive stuff!

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  • mcHAPPY
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  • planetmars
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    JV struggles I think are a combination of things (not strong enough to cover the post, not NBA ready, etc), but I think the biggest issue is with communication between the bigs namely JV and Bargnani.

    Butch Carter kept repeating on Prime Time this sentiment but it makes sense. You want your two bigs to always communicate with each other, especially on defense. One has to know where the other will be at all times. I think Bargnani is actually a very poor communicator, and JV since he's a rookie (and still hasn't grasped the English language) will have a hard time communicating with Andrea as to where he should be rotating or who he should be covering.

    I thought the Knicks were going to be meh this season, but they have two veterans in Chandler and Thomas that know how to communicate well in the post.

    Amir and Ed in my opinion are the strongest frontcourt on the team. Using Amir with Bargnani or Ed with JV I don't think will result in a good situation either (although I do see JV/Davis being more prone to success than JV/Bargnani at this point).

    I don't think its wrong to put JV on the bench, but he needs to be paired with someone that can communicate clearly with him. For all the talk of getting a stud 3 on the team, I think it's as important to get a PF that can communicate well with JV. I'm not sure who that would be, but this season has taught us one thing for sure, and that Bargnani/JV have very little chemistry.

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  • The Coach
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    The Coach wrote: View Post
    I'm a huge JV fan... just ask anyone in the dynasty fantasy basketball pool. I think he is going to be great; however, lately I have started to think that when he is on the floor the Raps are worse defensively. I decided to look up the Raps +/- statistics for this year (20 games) and my fears were actualized. Now, I know that plus/minus is not viewed the same as in hockey, and some people give it little merit in basketball, but when their is this much discrepancy between Amir and JV (or Bargs) for that matter, it makes me think that there is a strong case to put JV on the bench to start the game and start Amir.

    Here is the link: http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusmi...9&team=Raptors

    Notice that Amir is one of only 2 Raps in the plus (+31), while JV is the worst (-116) and Bargs is second worst (-108). JV has also had about 270 less minutes than Bargs to accumulate that poor stat.

    I watch JV with rose-colored glasses and think that any time he touches an offensive board, or makes an aggressive move, he is doing well... Amir on the other hand only gets my praise when he does something truly great. In other words, I have a double standard and so do the commentators.

    JV will be good, very good, but we are definitely sacrificing good starts, and possibly wins, to get there.
    For interests sake, our top 2 line combinations at +15 and +12 (dis)respectfully are:
    Calderon, DeRozan, Anderson, Bargs, Amir
    Calderon, DeRozan, McGuire, Bargs, Amir

    In fact Amir and Calderon are our best 2-man combination (for +/-) and Amir Johnson is in ALL of our top 6 2-man combos:
    Amir and Calderon
    Amir and Lowry
    Amir and Bargs
    Amir and Ross
    Amir and DeRozan
    Amir and Pietrus

    Can I totally revert my initial thread, show my JV love and ask for Amir to play with JV... that should help JV's plus/minus!

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  • The Coach
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    DoNDaDDa wrote: View Post
    Val will be starting tonight..http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/2..._jazz_preview/

    glad to see..Val hasnt been our prob. PRIMO PASTA is!
    I'm a huge JV fan... just ask anyone in the dynasty fantasy basketball pool. I think he is going to be great; however, lately I have started to think that when he is on the floor the Raps are worse defensively. I decided to look up the Raps +/- statistics for this year (20 games) and my fears were actualized. Now, I know that plus/minus is not viewed the same as in hockey, and some people give it little merit in basketball, but when their is this much discrepancy between Amir and JV (or Bargs) for that matter, it makes me think that there is a strong case to put JV on the bench to start the game and start Amir.

    Here is the link: http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusmi...9&team=Raptors

    Notice that Amir is one of only 2 Raps in the plus (+31), while JV is the worst (-116) and Bargs is second worst (-108). JV has also had about 270 less minutes than Bargs to accumulate that poor stat.

    I watch JV with rose-colored glasses and think that any time he touches an offensive board, or makes an aggressive move, he is doing well... Amir on the other hand only gets my praise when he does something truly great. In other words, I have a double standard and so do the commentators.

    JV will be good, very good, but we are definitely sacrificing good starts, and possibly wins, to get there.

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  • Superchunk
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    p00ka wrote: View Post
    People up in arms over this move have lost their minds, most specifically ones who've been saying we need to see JV and ED working together. Guess what? This move does that!! AND it puts them both on the floor more with Jose, who will feed them the ball more. I can't think of a better scenario for their development in working together at both ends.

    This move is no diss on JV, but is very likely a good move to make FOR HIM at this time. The last 2 games indicate he may be hitting a bit of a rookie wall while constantly playing against the opponent's #1 C, while he still has lots to work on. This relieves much of the pressure from him and allows for an easier route to adapting to the NBA schedule and lifestyle. It doesn't mean he'll play less minutes (maybe even more), nor does it mean he won't find his way back to the starting unit as the season wears on.

    Some people need to chill from criticizing every single move, especially those that wanted ED and JV working together to start with. Sheeesh.
    Hmm, well I'll reply to this I guess... Val and Davis are our best frontcourt. Which in theory means they shouldn't be getting 15 mpg and/or getting demoted out of the starting lineup.

    People are frustrated because players who put out effort and get results aren't getting rewarded, while players who put out no effort and clearly don't get results do get rewarded with minutes.

    I really feel like you are the one who needs to chill out. Sheesh.

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  • Mack North
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    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/12/06...g-to-the-bench

    some Casey quotes in there recanting his earlier thoughts, saying he's gonna leave JV in the starting 5. I'm becoming indifferent because I don't think it matters with this current lineup. Something's gotta give sooner than later.

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  • b2kelly
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    I hate the raptors now. The way the organization is treating its players is honestly worse than how the Leafs treat Kadri. Honestly no wonder why nobody wants to play for these clowns! If the city sucks, the least the organization could do is treat its players with some respect to attempt to create a better culture around the club, holy ass barf.
    Last edited by b2kelly; Fri Dec 7, 2012, 10:30 PM.

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  • irgigi
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    Casey:
    "You have to go protect the paint and he's about a half second off of that, being where he has to be," Casey said. "It's experience and being there numerous times, he's getting better at it but he's still not there yet. Recognizing that situation and it's a split moment."

    Raptors are 4-15. Go blame Valanciunas. If it is even true, it is too late. Let them (future people) fucking play and look forward to the next season. Idiots (sorry for the word), who makes these decisions.

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  • wallz
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    Hopefully he stays out of early foul trouble...

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  • psrs1
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    After 7 years, I don't think any GM can be tricked into thinking Bargnani is someone he isn't. IMO, his playing time is irrelevant to his trade value. Every knowledgeable basketball mind knows who Bargnani is. The next 10-20 games can't change that.
    I agree. Trade AB now amd get it over with already.

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  • psrs1
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    RandomGuy wrote: View Post
    Alright, I understand he does not deserve starting spot yet, although putting blame on him, when hes literally the only guy who defends the paint... What do you expect, how many times he got dunked because Bargnani lost his player? I'm starting to hate Caseys system, because he is the one who puts Andrea near 3pt line and commands him to play Brickani. He's is not DIRK, come on, all basketball world knows that and they are still repeating same crap. Frustrating.
    DC thinks that our version of Dirk is AB. I am beginning to believe that DC is in fact BC's lap dog as others on this forum have stated. If so both need to go.

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