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  • Craiger
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    charlz wrote: View Post
    there are rumblings that BC wanted to Amnesty Calderon but OWNERSHIP were not willing to "write-off" 10 mill + take on additional salary of Ramon Sessions 5MILL/yr for 2/yrs (or CJ watson).

    MLSE would not give BC additional money for coach after SMITCH was fired so we got stuck with Jay Triano.

    MLSE was not willing to eat JO's 2009-2010 contract worth $23,016,000 so it cost a first round pick to grease him out of town... Depleting the franchise.



    hmmmm sound familiar?
    to avoid paying the final year of Jalen Rose contract (15 Mill) they burned another first round draft pick just to side step paying that cash



    MLSE is near sighted. They need to be profitable every year. Fucking idiots don't have any vision and loose out on the real money of playoffs and better attendance. They destroy every team they touch. Their fucking bean counters run all their franchises.

    ROGERS BELL MLSE THE WORST OWNERSHIP GROUP IN THE WORLD
    bluejays
    Raptors
    Leafs
    TFC
    As others have pointed out, those were previous owners.

    Thats said, is there any evidence that MLSE/OTPP didn't want those things? From all accounts BC had alot of autonomy in the decision making process, something previous GMs didn't have (atleast to the same extent).

    Now I imagine BC had a budget he had to work in, so they may have prevented him from going above that budget which then would have given BC one less route to take to get to the destination he wanted.

    PS Amnestying an expiring contract would have been a waste anyways. Add that Jose is at they very least a useful player that offered insurance incase of injury, seems like a foolish move on many levels. Really handy having it now for Bargnani if needed anyways.

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  • Fully
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    charlz wrote: View Post
    there are rumblings that BC wanted to Amnesty Calderon but OWNERSHIP were not willing to "write-off" 10 mill + take on additional salary of Ramon Sessions 5MILL/yr for 2/yrs (or CJ watson).

    MLSE would not give BC additional money for coach after SMITCH was fired so we got stuck with Jay Triano.

    MLSE was not willing to eat JO's 2009-2010 contract worth $23,016,000 so it cost a first round pick to grease him out of town... Depleting the franchise.



    hmmmm sound familiar?
    to avoid paying the final year of Jalen Rose contract (15 Mill) they burned another first round draft pick just to side step paying that cash



    MLSE is near sighted. They need to be profitable every year. Fucking idiots don't have any vision and loose out on the real money of playoffs and better attendance. They destroy every team they touch. Their fucking bean counters run all their franchises.

    ROGERS BELL MLSE THE WORST OWNERSHIP GROUP IN THE WORLD
    bluejays
    Raptors
    Leafs
    TFC
    Like others have already stated, those moves came under the previous regime and can't be blamed on MLSE.
    And to be honest, I'm not sure how true some of those statements are anyway.

    There may have been "rumblings" about ownership not wanting to eat Calderon's deal but that doesn't necessarily make it the reality. And besides, not amnestying him has turned out to be a sound decision given Lowry's injury problems this season. We've needed Calderon. Plugging Sessions/Watson into his role this year would not have changed anything, and the kicker is that our cap situation would be even worse if either of those signings were allowed to happen.

    I don't remember the JO deal to Miami being a teacher's union issue with paying the salary, and even if there were more 'rumblings', they're purely speculation. The Raptors and Colangelo considered themselves "contenders" in the East during that period, as laughable as that may be in hindsight, and when things went so poorly with O'Neal I think BC felt inclined to shake things up again in an attempt to salvage the season.

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  • KHD
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Those were all under previous ownership - Ontario Teachers Pension Plan.

    I don't think you can grade current ownership since August, 2012 based on previous ownership prior to August, 2012.
    In fact, the new ownership group has already shown a willingness to spend, with the Jays (i'm no baseball expert, but thats what the news stories say).

    I think that with the Teachers fund they wanted to be as low risk as possible, whereas with Bell and Rogers, they know that if they build a winner their TV revenue will increase and more than cover the cost. This is more risky though, as you have to spend on players up front.

    Basically, despite the fact that i despise Bell for having me on the hook for practically every connection to the world outside my home, I think they're more likely to pay up for good teams.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Those were all under previous ownership - Ontario Teachers Pension Plan.

    I don't think you can grade current ownership since August, 2012 based on previous ownership prior to August, 2012.

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  • KHD
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    Rogers and Bell just took over. Prior to that, yes, the teachers fund was notorious for prioritizing profit to the point of handicapping teams and / or accepting the pathetic status quo (Leafs).

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  • charlz
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    Does MLSE deserve any blame?

    there are rumblings that BC wanted to Amnesty Calderon but OWNERSHIP were not willing to "write-off" 10 mill + take on additional salary of Ramon Sessions 5MILL/yr for 2/yrs (or CJ watson).

    MLSE would not give BC additional money for coach after SMITCH was fired so we got stuck with Jay Triano.

    MLSE was not willing to eat JO's 2009-2010 contract worth $23,016,000 so it cost a first round pick to grease him out of town... Depleting the franchise.

    February 13, 2009: Traded by the Toronto Raptors with Jamario Moon and a 2010 2nd round draft pick & conditional 1st round draft pick to the Miami Heat for Marcus Banks, Shawn Marion and cash.
    hmmmm sound familiar?
    to avoid paying the final year of Jalen Rose contract (15 Mill) they burned another first round draft pick just to side step paying that cash

    February 3, 2006: Toronto Raptors Trade Jalen Rose with 2006 1st round draft pick
    MLSE is near sighted. They need to be profitable every year. Fucking idiots don't have any vision and loose out on the real money of playoffs and better attendance. They destroy every team they touch. Their fucking bean counters run all their franchises.

    ROGERS BELL MLSE THE WORST OWNERSHIP GROUP IN THE WORLD
    bluejays
    Raptors
    Leafs
    TFC
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