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  • Eric Akshinthala
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    Another team cannot offer a 5 year contract.

    Colangelo took a huge risk in signing DeMar to the contract he did when the worst case scenario was possibly another $1.5M per season. The odds of a team offering him $11M were just as good as a team offering him $8M or less. Either way the Raptors still had the right to match.
    I did not know that another team cannot offer him a 5yr. contract. Now that I know I guess my opinion changes slightly. Hypothetically, if a team offered say a 45mil. contract and Raps. are in a position to either match or sign and trade(or not) and have the flexibility as opposed to what they've already done. I guess the only thing they can do now is trade Demar to fulfill a need but they'll be limited in their options. You're right Matt. They should have waited.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Eric Akshinthala wrote: View Post
    I too did not like the fact that he signed him to that extension hence giving away leverage. One has to understand though that Bryan Colangelo is in quite a different position than an observer. If Demar finishes the year with his present numbers(18pts. 5rbs. 2asts.) he could easily command a salary of 50-55mil. over 5 yrs. When you compare that with the 4 yr. 39mil. he was given, you realise why BC did it.
    Another team cannot offer a 5 year contract.

    Colangelo took a huge risk in signing DeMar to the contract he did when the worst case scenario was possibly another $1.5M per season. The odds of a team offering him $11M were just as good as a team offering him $8M or less. Either way the Raptors still had the right to match.

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  • Eric Akshinthala
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    What makes me frustrated is he willingly gave away all the leverage the Raps had in the situation.
    I too did not like the fact that he signed him to that extension hence giving away leverage. One has to understand though that Bryan Colangelo is in quite a different position than an observer. If Demar finishes the year with his present numbers(18pts. 5rbs. 2asts.) he could easily command a salary of 50-55mil. over 5 yrs. When you compare that with the 4 yr. 39mil. he was given, you realise why BC did it.

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  • mcHAPPY
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    It all depends on who is coming back in the trade. If it was a slashing SF then DeMar would be trade bait. If it was a guy who can shoot then Ross. Otherwise I would pick Ross over DD.

    I am still not a fan of his new contract. I've mentioned this in a different thread once, but even though I acknowledge DeMar has improved, in my opinion he has not improved enough to warrant that new contract or to be a core guy. He plays a lot of minutes (most in the league if I recall), but still puts up fairly mediocre stats. That would be fine but his defense has a lot to be desired. I'd choose Ross if I had to make a decision. However I'd prefer to keep both unless we are getting back a really good player, then I would keep Ross over DeMar in my opinion.
    I agree with this. The only thing giving me 'hope' on the deal is the contract does not kick in until next season. If he can make another jump next year like he did this year with improvement on the defensive side of the ball, BC might be looking many look pretty silly. The flip side is if none of that happens, then BC looks silly - yet again. What makes me frustrated is he willingly gave away all the leverage the Raps had in the situation.

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  • planetmars
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    hateslosing wrote: View Post
    The Raptors have a happy problem: we drafted Ross and he actually looks very good. Sweet stroke, lots of speed and leaping ability, good defender even as a rookie....lot's of potential for a star shooting guard. We already have a pretty good shooting guard in DD, who is close to a 20 point scorer already, pulls down 5 boards a game and get a couple assists. Demar is 2 years older but still has some development to go through and he could easily get to be an all star in the east.

    In my opinion having two guys as similar as these two who play the same position is great...if you are winning games. For us, we have so many holes I don't see how we can keep two guys who have high trade values on the team when only one of them is likely to be part of our future starting 5. So who do you move? Ross is younger, he's athletic and already seems more skilled, though he'll never have Demar's size. Derozan is already a good player in his own right and is a bit more proven: Ross could still bust. One thing to consider here is when we intend to compete. If we are rebuilding again, maybe Ros is better so he can grow up in the new system. If we want playoffs next year, maybe you want someone a little farther along.

    I would trade Ross before DD, I'm big on having NBA proven talent and Demar has at least shown he can play in this league at a high level.
    It all depends on who is coming back in the trade. If it was a slashing SF then DeMar would be trade bait. If it was a guy who can shoot then Ross. Otherwise I would pick Ross over DD.

    I am still not a fan of his new contract. I've mentioned this in a different thread once, but even though I acknowledge DeMar has improved, in my opinion he has not improved enough to warrant that new contract or to be a core guy. He plays a lot of minutes (most in the league if I recall), but still puts up fairly mediocre stats. That would be fine but his defense has a lot to be desired. I'd choose Ross if I had to make a decision. However I'd prefer to keep both unless we are getting back a really good player, then I would keep Ross over DeMar in my opinion.

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  • theycallmeZZ
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    Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Thing is Ross is a very un-assuming kid, very shy and soft spoken in interviews but when he plays he changes into Mr Hyde lol that putback dunk was just no regard for poor Reddick's well being lol.

    Terrence Ross WITH NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE!

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  • Tmar
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    Keep both and see what happens...We might get a glimpse of what could have been with Vince and Tmac in these two guys.

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  • Rapstor4Life
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    Matt52 wrote: View Post
    I love the stumble *slash* flail Redick did as Ross came down with the aerial assault.

    Highlight of the year thus far, in my opinion!

    the facial expression he had when running back on defense was like "Dam I did Redick like that" priceless he knew it was just a disgusting dunk.

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  • knickz
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    Don't want to be a "prisoner of the moment" but I am now sold on this kid after rippin' him ever since he got drafted. can anyone make a pic of that cover with t-mac and vince for ross and derozan? would appreciate it!

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  • mcHAPPY
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    Rapstor4Life wrote: View Post
    Thing is Ross is a very un-assuming kid, very shy and soft spoken in interviews but when he plays he changes into Mr Hyde lol that putback dunk was just no regard for poor Reddick's well being lol.
    I love the stumble *slash* flail Redick did as Ross came down with the aerial assault.

    Highlight of the year thus far, in my opinion!

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  • Rapstor4Life
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    Thing is Ross is a very un-assuming kid, very shy and soft spoken in interviews but when he plays he changes into Mr Hyde lol that putback dunk was just no regard for poor Reddick's well being lol.

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  • ReubenJRD
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    I quite honestly find this a silly question.

    Both are two of our most talented players on this team. These 2, Lowry, Valanciunas and Davis are guys I consider "untouchable" in the sense I would prefer them not to be in trade discussion UNLESS, it was for the right deal.

    After a game like tonight, I take back EVERYTHING I've said about Ross (nothing negative, but throwing him under the radar), but I feel like he will be our star. Huge Derozan homer here, but Ross has a stage presence, and his ability to do almost everything on the court is sensational.

    #TerrenceTime everybody!

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  • Rapstor4Life
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    Alan Anderson plays 3 the league isn't as textbook as it once was, and for players like Lebron and etc, thats why the Zone defense exists lol and Casey doesnt feel bad at all for using it.

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  • hateslosing
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    Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
    There is only one Lebron and Josh Smith is a PF. The league is going small.
    Kevin Durant, Carmelo, Deng, Gallinari... there are still some small forwards out there who have a size advantage that will negate Demar's post game and cause him problems on D. Still, you are mostly right and 6'7" isn't bad for a small forward anyway. I have just been enjoying his post game lately and that will likely disappear if he is being guarded by small forwards.

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  • Chr1s1anL
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    hateslosing wrote: View Post
    I don't like that one of them will play out of position if we start them together. Demar is fine against teams like the magic who aren't big at the 3, but against the Lebrons and Josh Smiths of the world, he may have some trouble. Point taken though, for now the combo seems to be working out and maybe they are making me change to the third option.
    There is only one Lebron and Josh Smith is a PF. The league is going small.

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