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  • #16
    TRex wrote: View Post
    Can Ross jump as high as prime VC? NO.

    VC's leaping ability and dunking ability is in a different level. I don't think anyone can compare to VC when it comes to dunking. There's a reason why people call him the greatest dunker of ALL TIME.

    Ross is fantastic though. And i've been saying this in this forum for weeks now. Ross reminds me a lot of a young Jason Richardson. Difference is, Ross as a rookie is a much better shooter/defender than J-Rich in his rookie year.

    J-Rich in his 1st year with the NBA was nothing but a dunker/slasher. Couldn't shoot, couldn't defend. Then he developed a 3pt shot later in hsi career and became primarily a 3pt shooter.

    Ross i think has a chance to be a MUCH better player than J-Rich.


    I see Ross more as a young Ray Allen. Sweet stroke, great hops, not the greatest handle. We have to teach him to run around all game coming off screens.

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    • #17
      akashsingh wrote: View Post
      honestly I feel like ross's game is a waste of his athletic ability, he needs to learn to put the ball on the floor. But w.e. can't turn somebody into something he's not.
      The guy's a rookie, and still developing. DeRozan, while still not a great ball handler, has improved exponentially since he's came into the league. No reason to believe Ross cannot improve all facets of his game. He's seems to have this quiet demeanor about him, but he's gaining confidence with every game. I'm impressed.
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      • #18
        Mack North wrote: View Post
        The guy's a rookie, and still developing. DeRozan, while still not a great ball handler, has improved exponentially since he's came into the league. No reason to believe Ross cannot improve all facets of his game. He's seems to have this quiet demeanor about him, but he's gaining confidence with every game. I'm impressed.
        I hope so, ross is 2 year older than derozan when he entered the league though. I am impressed with the skills he does have however, his floor is high, a very safe pick.

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        • #19
          This post is not to knock T-Ross or his ability to dunk, but in terms of vertical, when you look at the numbers he isn't overly special.

          All figures from Draft Express Pre-Draft Measurements

          T-Ross Max Vert: 37.5

          Comparable Leapers at 37.5 Max Vert
          Austin Rivers - athletic undersized guard
          Ben Gordon - surprising, but it's hard to remember him young since he was mostly a shooter
          Joakim Noah - never thought he had that good of hops
          Trenton Hassell - decent defender at the point, but no hilight reel
          Jamaal Tinsley - really surprising

          Close Comparables
          Chris Quinn 37 - a half inch less. Has there ever been a less awe-inspiring player in the NBA? (Ok, maybe Brian Scalabrine and his 30.5 max vert)
          James Harden 37 - solid dunker
          Sonny Weems 36.5 - solid dunker
          Russell Westrbook 36.5 - solid dunker

          The cream of leaping crop
          Kenny Gregory - 2001 - 45.5
          Timmy Bowers - 2004 - 43.5
          Nate Robinson - 2004 - 43.5
          Vince Carter - 1998 - 43
          Jamario Moon - 2001 - 43
          Speedy Claxton - 2000 - 42.5 - surprised to see him so high

          Random Dude with a cool name
          Cookie Blecher - 2001 - 41.5

          Unimpressive dunkers with better hops
          Jordan Farmar 42" - shorter than Ross
          Matt Barnes 40.5" - close to Ross physically
          Joe Alexander 38.5" - close to Ross physically (scary thought!)

          2012 Draft Class Only
          No Step Vertical
          Harrison Barnes 38
          No one else reached 35", with T-Ross getting 31" (Chris Quinn got 32" in 2006!!)

          Max Vertical - notable draftees only
          Darius Johson-Odom 41.5 - Top
          Marquis Teague- 40.5 (3rd)
          Miles Plumlee - 40.5 (3rd)
          Jeff Taylor - 40
          Damian Lillard - 39.5
          Harrison Barnes - 39.5
          Bradley Beal - 39
          PJ3 - 38.5
          Jeremy Lamb - 38
          Austin Rivers - 37.5
          T-Ross - 37.5
          Moe Harkless - 37
          Quincy Acy - 37

          So in the end, Ross is a good player and has thrown down some nice dunks, but to even put him in the conversation at VC is a discredit to VC's stellarness of dunking.
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          • #20
            Axel wrote: View Post
            ...So in the end, Ross is a good player and has thrown down some nice dunks, but to even put him in the conversation at VC is a discredit to VC's stellarness of dunking.
            Can't argue with this.

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            • #21
              Axel wrote: View Post
              This post is not to knock T-Ross or his ability to dunk, but in terms of vertical, when you look at the numbers he isn't overly special.

              All figures from Draft Express Pre-Draft Measurements

              T-Ross Max Vert: 37.5

              Comparable Leapers at 37.5 Max Vert
              Austin Rivers - athletic undersized guard
              Ben Gordon - surprising, but it's hard to remember him young since he was mostly a shooter
              Joakim Noah - never thought he had that good of hops
              Trenton Hassell - decent defender at the point, but no hilight reel
              Jamaal Tinsley - really surprising

              Close Comparables
              Chris Quinn 37 - a half inch less. Has there ever been a less awe-inspiring player in the NBA? (Ok, maybe Brian Scalabrine and his 30.5 max vert)
              James Harden 37 - solid dunker
              Sonny Weems 36.5 - solid dunker
              Russell Westrbook 36.5 - solid dunker

              The cream of leaping crop
              Kenny Gregory - 2001 - 45.5
              Timmy Bowers - 2004 - 43.5
              Nate Robinson - 2004 - 43.5
              Vince Carter - 1998 - 43
              Jamario Moon - 2001 - 43
              Speedy Claxton - 2000 - 42.5 - surprised to see him so high

              Random Dude with a cool name
              Cookie Blecher - 2001 - 41.5

              Unimpressive dunkers with better hops
              Jordan Farmar 42" - shorter than Ross
              Matt Barnes 40.5" - close to Ross physically
              Joe Alexander 38.5" - close to Ross physically (scary thought!)

              2012 Draft Class Only
              No Step Vertical
              Harrison Barnes 38
              No one else reached 35", with T-Ross getting 31" (Chris Quinn got 32" in 2006!!)

              Max Vertical - notable draftees only
              Darius Johson-Odom 41.5 - Top
              Marquis Teague- 40.5 (3rd)
              Miles Plumlee - 40.5 (3rd)
              Jeff Taylor - 40
              Damian Lillard - 39.5
              Harrison Barnes - 39.5
              Bradley Beal - 39
              PJ3 - 38.5
              Jeremy Lamb - 38
              Austin Rivers - 37.5
              T-Ross - 37.5
              Moe Harkless - 37
              Quincy Acy - 37

              So in the end, Ross is a good player and has thrown down some nice dunks, but to even put him in the conversation at VC is a discredit to VC's stellarness of dunking.
              There is not a chance in hell Ross has equal vertical to Ben Gordon and Jamaal Tinsley. I don't care what your pre draft test told us, Ross does jump higher than 37.5, plain and simple.
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              • #22
                Yea i dont buy that. He's got like a 40" vert, his arm and forehead are above the rim on a lot of dunks

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