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Axel wrote: View PostToronto Raptors: C-
15-27, No. 11 in the East
The Raptors deserve two grades: one with and without Andrea Bargnani. Before their franchise forward went down with an elbow injury in December, Toronto was 4-18. Since then, the Raptors are 11-9. Even with five losses in their last six games, the quality of play and entertainment value have been up considerably. They’re still going nowhere, but at least it’s not a total drag to watch. (In the case of Terrence Ross, it can actually be incredibly exhilarating.) The Raptors are clearly a team to watch at the trade deadline. It’s probably too ambitious to expect that they will find a sucker to take Bargnani, but they at least need to get value for Jose Calderon before he hits free agency this summer.
Full Article here:
http://nba.si.com/2013/01/24/midseas...?sct=uk_t12_a9
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Matt52 wrote: View PostNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNo
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!Heir, Prince of Cambridge
If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.
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Axel wrote: View Posthaha patience Matt. Let him return to the line-up and boost his value to something reasonable. If he can't do that, then perhaps amnesty is the best direction. At least this re-affirms my point that trading Jose is Priority #1.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNoNo
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!your pal,
ebrian
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ebrian wrote: View PostLOL.. I don't think the negative media attention can make this situation any worse than it already is. Like someone else said, we just have to hope that when he returns, he plays half decently for long enough that another team buys in.
When it comes to Bargnani, common sense doesn't exist.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostMy fear with this strategy is that "if" Bargnani plays half-decently, it somehow convinces the coaches/management that Bargnani has turned the corner, and is worth keeping.
When it comes to Bargnani, common sense doesn't exist.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.
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Axel wrote: View PostThat is scary and sadly likely, but at the end of the day, he needs to play better for us to play him or for us to trade him. Worst case scenario is that he comes back as bad as advertised and we still play him to "showcase" his talents or to "return" to his 13 game form.
Realistically, for another team to be interested in Bargnani with his 10 million per contract, the Raptors would have to throw in Valanciunas and/or Ross plus unprotected draft picks to take on Andrea and his guaranteed contract.Last edited by stretch; Fri Jan 25, 2013, 04:01 PM.
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Axel wrote: View Posthaha patience Matt. Let him return to the line-up and boost his value to something reasonable. If he can't do that, then perhaps amnesty is the best direction. At least this re-affirms my point that trading Jose is Priority #1.
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p00ka wrote: View PostJust how is trading Jose priority #1? Unless there's a promising return, and some late 2nd round pick doesn't do it, I don't understand the rush to unload him,,,,, especially seeing what Lowry's providing these days. Jose is far better for our young guys' development, as things stand now, even if it ends up being just another few months. Unless somebody comes up with a WOW offer, likely stemming from a legit contender's PG going down, I wouldn't be the least surprised that Jose re-signs for a reasonable contract with the Raps this summer.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostI believe the thought is, from an asset management perspective, that the Raptors likely aren't a playoff team this year so it would make sense to trade Calderon's expiring contract for any asset (even a 2nd round pick), instead of letting him either walk or re-sign without getting anything extra in return. Even if he were to be traded, he could still be (re)signed by the Raptors in the offseason to return to the team next season. From an asset management standpoint, I think the logic makes perfect sense; something is better than nothing, especially if the net cost is absolutely nothing (ie: if Calderon returns next year).
If the team wants Jose to come back (and I'm in the camp where I'd rather go with Lowry or someone else) then they should keep him until the summer and sign him back using his Bird Rights.
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stretch wrote: View PostJust as we Raptors fans are painfully aware that the team plays much better without AB than with him, other teams GMs are assuredly cognizant of that fact, too...
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Puffer wrote: View PostNot every other team is constructed the same as the Raptors. Another team, with a strong defensive center and good, three point shooting SF could use a player like Andrea. If you are not counting on him to carry his full load on D (and let's face it, there are lots of players who don't) and don't count on him as your primary scorer, you might be happy to trade away a player who is a spare part on your team. It doesn't matter what position the Raps get back, cause it's not about shoring up their team with whoever it is, it's about getting rid of Bargs for something. the player coming back could be part of another trade for a position of need or picks or whatever.
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Puffer wrote: View PostNot every other team is constructed the same as the Raptors. Another team, with a strong defensive center and good, three point shooting SF could use a player like Andrea. If you are not counting on him to carry his full load on D (and let's face it, there are lots of players who don't) and don't count on him as your primary scorer, you might be happy to trade away a player who is a spare part on your team. It doesn't matter what position the Raps get back, cause it's not about shoring up their team with whoever it is, it's about getting rid of Bargs for something. the player coming back could be part of another trade for a position of need or picks or whatever.
Nash: pass-first PG who makes every player around him better offensively
Howard: best defensive anchor C in the league, who plays down low offensively
Kobe: his dribble-penetration sets up their offense, which relies on good outside shooters to be most effective
MWP: other wing is a lock-down perimeter defender who typically guards the opposition's primary scorer
Back when the Gasol rumors first started, I thought that Bargnani would be a great fit in that lineup and I still believe it. I'm just not convinced that Bargnani & Calderon would be enough of a return for Gasol, but the Lakers could be getting desperate, who knows. From a Toronto perspective, I'm just not convinced that Gasol on this young, rebuilding team (especially without Calderon) is the best idea with the long-term in mind. A multi-trade deal with young players & draft picks coming to Toronto would be absolutely ideal (many Minnesota 3-way options work salary-wise).Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Fri Jan 25, 2013, 05:58 PM.
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