Is Demar one of the three best midranged shooting guards in the league?

[knickz]

I don't think a mid-range shot is a terrible shot at all.

It's the long 2s that I have a problem with...

dwayne wade won a scoring tittle taking mid-range j's. derozan could easily score more than 20ppg if he got calls.

[Joey]

I think people need to keep in mind, while having this discussion, that Demar is currently ranked 12th in the Entire League in Free Throws Made and 16th in Attempts.

So I think any talk about how mid-range is all he does, and he's not a slasher, or not good at drawing fouls, is, well, inaccurate in my opinion.

[Craiger]

I can't help but feel that the bigger question is, "should DeRozan's game be so dependent on the mid-range game?"

I'm even more concerned with all the long 2pt attempts, in addition to the poor 3pt shooting. For a wing so widely regarded for his athetlicism and hops, I would prefer his mid & long range shot attempts/makes to be nowhere near the top of the wing rankings, to be honest.

A good wing combo should have one consistent penetrator (who can finish consistently AND draw fouls) and one above average 3pt shooter. Unfortuantely, I don't see DeRozan being either of these right now.

+1

[CalgaryRapsFan]

I can't help but feel that the bigger question is, "should DeRozan's game be so dependent on the mid-range game?"

I'm even more concerned with all the long 2pt attempts, in addition to the poor 3pt shooting. For a wing so widely regarded for his athetlicism and hops, I would prefer his mid & long range shot attempts/makes to be nowhere near the top of the wing rankings, to be honest.

A good wing combo should have one consistent penetrator (who can finish consistently AND draw fouls) and one above average 3pt shooter. Unfortuantely, I don't see DeRozan being either of these right now.

[thead]

I don't think a mid-range shot is a terrible shot at all.

It's the long 2s that I have a problem with...

anything within 2 feet of the three point line infuriates me.

[Craiger]

A couple things jump out at me from that link you posted that I feel should be included with the stats that you've used.

Not really arguing one way or the other, the mid-range shot is a terrible shot to rely on .. but if you can make it work for you, then why not; just providing the facts.

-he's tied for 2nd in makes per game from 16-23 feet, at 2.1 per.
-he's 8th in makes from 10-15 per game.
-most of the guys 'ahead' of him, percentage wise, only attempt 0.1 per game; not really valid statistical evidence.
-League average is 38% from 16-23. Demar hits 41%.
-League average is 42% from 10-15. Demar hits 36%.


If you account for the all the data, I'd say that Demar could be counted among the more profficient mid-range scorers in the game.
BUT with such a small group of guys who actually shoot the mid-range is it really much of an accomplishment to be counted among them?

Regardless, I'm a huge fan of Demars game.

Makes has to be related to attempts. One could easily lead the league in made shots from anywhere, regardless of %, if they took enough of them. About the only shot where 'makes' in and of itself my be important is FTs, and thats thats do to the impact of drawing fouls.

most of the guys 'ahead' of him, percentage wise, only attempt 0.1 per game; not really valid statistical evidence.

I agree those with low attempts could be eliminated, but very few attempt 0.1 or less of any of those shots a game in the 20+min category. In fact only 3 do (4 with 0.3 attempts or less)* - thats not even close to 'most'.


At best one could argue Demar is a better than average at taking one of the worst shots in the game. We are really stretching to find much value in that.

*correction. 3 players shoot 0.1 or less attempts, 5 shoot 0.3 or less and 7 shoot 0.4 or less.

eliminating those he is still ranked 25th on 10-15 footers and 19th on 16-23 footers for those with 20+ min a game

[Nilanka]

I don't think a mid-range shot is a terrible shot at all.

It's the long 2s that I have a problem with...

[Joey]

Not even close to being one of the best at making them though

A couple things jump out at me from that link you posted that I feel should be included with the stats that you've used.

Not really arguing one way or the other, the mid-range shot is a terrible shot to rely on .. but if you can make it work for you, then why not; just providing the facts.

-he's tied for 2nd in makes per game from 16-23 feet, at 2.1 per.
-he's 8th in makes from 10-15 per game.
-most of the guys 'ahead' of him, percentage wise, only attempt 0.1 per game; not really valid statistical evidence.
-League average is 38% from 16-23. Demar hits 41%.
-League average is 42% from 10-15. Demar hits 36%.


If you account for the all the data, I'd say that Demar could be counted among the more profficient mid-range scorers in the game.
BUT with such a small group of guys who actually shoot the mid-range is it really much of an accomplishment to be counted among them?

Regardless, I'm a huge fan of Demars game.

[DoNDaDDa]

i think this ranking is by default since 1, there been a complete lack of true SG in the draft the past few years..2. most SG can hit a three, & its widely known that long 2s are the worst shot to take in b ball

[mcHAPPY]

Was there also something about total points scored?

I mean, that is awesome, unless you are taking ridiculous amounts of shots to get them.... oh wait.

[Craiger]

Using http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.as...3&gp2=0&mins=0

Accounting for all SGs

10-15 ft he ranks 56th in fg%
16-23ft he ranks 26th in fg%

Narrowing down the minutes (using 20+ min)

10-15 ft he ranks 32nd
16-23ft he ranks 19th

Attempts from 10-15 ft he's tied for 6th
Attempts from 16-23ft he's tied for 1st

Quick conclusion - he's one of the 'best' SG in the league at attempting mid range shots. Not even close to being one of the best at making them though

[hateslosing]

I didn't hear Matt Devlin's Demar is the best mid-range shooting guard in the league comment, but it struck a chord when I read about it. Around the league, how many midrange shooting guards are there anumore? Kobe gets a lot of his points from there, and I guess you can say Wade but most guys are either 3 point shooters or slashers at that positing these days. Looking around, I don't see any reason why Demar isn't top three as a SG who gets most of there points from mid range shooting.