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  • CNNSI Grades the same as ESPN C- for Raps

    Full article below. Detroit got an A for its salary dump and Memphis got B+.

    http://nba.si.com/2013/01/31/grizzli...2_a8&eref=sihp
    Heir, Prince of Cambridge

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  • #2
    The one thing that concerns me about this deal (in a basketball sense, not fiscally speaking) is how this affects T. Ross. I really like his game and think he has the tools to be the best of the 3 wingers on this team. Hopefully he still gets lots of playing time.
    Heir, Prince of Cambridge

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    • #3
      Ross is the sole reason that I am expecting at least one of demar/fields/anderson to be traded before the deadline

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      • #4
        I very much doubt that they can trade Fields or Demar. Demar might be movable next year if he plays well, but I'm fairly certain we are stuck with Fields until his deal expires. Anderson is definitely a guy I can see having value at the deadline. A low cost, smart player who would do very well on a contender.
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        • #5
          when is peitrus getting waved

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          • #6
            Axel wrote: View Post
            The one thing that concerns me about this deal (in a basketball sense, not fiscally speaking) is how this affects T. Ross. I really like his game and think he has the tools to be the best of the 3 wingers on this team. Hopefully he still gets lots of playing time.
            Ross was an untouchable in the negotiations. I think that says it all.

            DeRozan is odd man out. Problem I have saying that is I don't know if I think that is real or hope it is real.

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            • #7
              All this sh!tting on the Raps for loss of financial flexibility is a joke. What has cap space done for the Raptors in the past in free agency? The only use for cap space would be to take awful contracts for picks which I would not have opposed but whatever. The real tell on how this plays out is when we see what happens to DeRozan and Bargnani.

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              • #8
                SI.com wrote:
                Andrea Bargnani: Loser. No particular reason this time, just generally speaking.
                HAHAHAHA This is terribly mean, but hilarious none the less.

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                • #9
                  joey_hesketh wrote: View Post
                  HAHAHAHA This is terribly mean, but hilarious none the less.
                  I knew Rap-Repub fans would like that.
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                  • #10
                    Matt52 wrote: View Post
                    All this sh!tting on the Raps for loss of financial flexibility is a joke. What has cap space done for the Raptors in the past in free agency? The only use for cap space would be to take awful contracts for picks which I would not have opposed but whatever. The real tell on how this plays out is when we see what happens to DeRozan and Bargnani.
                    I think the issue with the flexibility is that this team still isn't that good, and now we lack the flexibility to make future moves. Can we move Bargnani now and still take on a bad deal with a good pick? I'm not sure we can (we'll have to run the numbers). I don't think anyone is fooling themselves into thinking the cap space for for free agents.

                    Think of it this way, with Fields, Demar and Gay, we now have 3 wing players that are all regarded as over-paid and are all likely "untradable" (in the traditional sense. If we can trade Hedo, anyone can be traded). For 3 wingers that can't shoot that well and make up over $30 million in committment next year (I didn't check the numbers, but thats my calculation off the top of my head), it just seems like perhaps this wasn't the best move.
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                    • #11
                      Raptor_11 wrote: View Post
                      Ross is the sole reason that I am expecting at least one of demar/fields/anderson to be traded before the deadline
                      I would expect it to be Anderson...at least in terms of odds....If a Bargs trade happens, look for AA to be an added piece to any such deal. The thing is his salary is so low, even if a team doesn't want him, they cna take him and waive him.

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                      • #12
                        Axel wrote: View Post
                        I think the issue with the flexibility is that this team still isn't that good, and now we lack the flexibility to make future moves. Can we move Bargnani now and still take on a bad deal with a good pick? I'm not sure we can (we'll have to run the numbers). I don't think anyone is fooling themselves into thinking the cap space for for free agents.

                        Think of it this way, with Fields, Demar and Gay, we now have 3 wing players that are all regarded as over-paid and are all likely "untradable" (in the traditional sense. If we can trade Hedo, anyone can be traded). For 3 wingers that can't shoot that well and make up over $30 million in committment next year (I didn't check the numbers, but thats my calculation off the top of my head), it just seems like perhaps this wasn't the best move.
                        I agree, the flexibility isn't about having cap space to sign guys, it's about making it much more difficult to move assets and make an upgrade. If some of our wings are indeed overpaid, it means we're likely only to trade them in moves where we don't get much of value back. IF we are clearly lacking pieces to be more than just a borderline playoff team, how the hell will we add them??? And all this without even having solved the Bargs issue yet, and as you say, makes it a lot harder to accept taking another bad contract back...

                        Oh, and yeah, you're roughly right on the numbers....they will be making more than 30 mill next season between them...and that number escalates...

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                        • #13
                          Here is part of whart CBS Sports said about the new Raps lineup.
                          "...For the time being, the Raptors potentially have a line-up of Lowry, Ross, DeRozan, Gay, and Valanciunas once everybody is healthy. The bench isn't ideal yet, but the structure of what the Raptors need to do with this line-up is apparent.

                          They need to cause chaos. That five-man line-up is one that can pressure the ball on the perimeter, protect the rim, and turn stops and turnovers into quick baskets the other way. Dwane Casey isn't the type of coach that likes to push the ball a ton (Raptors are 24th in the NBA in pace) but they are a team that benefits best when they're playing quick basketball without rushing."

                          http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ey...o-get-rudy-gay

                          I agree with this assessment. This could make for crazy fun basketball if Casey adjusts to his existing resources. Ross, Lowry, Derozan, JV and Gay all love to run. Chaos is right.

                          We'll have to see how it turns out.

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                          • #14
                            Axel wrote: View Post
                            I think the issue with the flexibility is that this team still isn't that good, and now we lack the flexibility to make future moves. Can we move Bargnani now and still take on a bad deal with a good pick? I'm not sure we can (we'll have to run the numbers). I don't think anyone is fooling themselves into thinking the cap space for for free agents.

                            Think of it this way, with Fields, Demar and Gay, we now have 3 wing players that are all regarded as over-paid and are all likely "untradable" (in the traditional sense. If we can trade Hedo, anyone can be traded). For 3 wingers that can't shoot that well and make up over $30 million in committment next year (I didn't check the numbers, but thats my calculation off the top of my head), it just seems like perhaps this wasn't the best move.
                            I wrote threads and threads and threads on flexibility that lead to nothing.

                            We don't know what kind of deals are out there. The Raptors got an upper tier SF who is overpaid for a promising PF who couldn't stop anyone. If Rudy Gay was paid $12-13M this is a non-issue because Memphis doesn't trade him.

                            As you said, free agency is a non-starter and there was no free agent available better than Gay this summer.

                            I am cautiously optimistic (and I feel confident I'll get burned on that) but I want to see what happens next.

                            Lost in all of this is the Raptors gave up their 3rd best prospect while keeping the top 2 in JV and TR.

                            And heaven help us all if the Raptors actually get a top 3 pick this year because they will be a playoff team next year.

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                            • #15
                              Sorry to change topics, but just curious how much you guys think Ed Davis would command once his rookie scale contract is up? Could that be something to consider when guaging this trade? I would think he'd command more than Amir or Fields putting him around $8 Million a season. When you put that up against Gay's contract and consider that you are filling a position of need at SF for a player (ED) that is a duplicate of Amir, albeit with more upside, and that you already are paying Andrea whom occupies the same position....Thoughts?

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