Everything Bruno Caboclo

[MixxAOR]

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2016...th-raptors-905

Caboclo's defining skill is currently as an on-ball cutter, as 40% of his shots came from inside the inside the paint. He was extremely efficient from inside the restricted area, as he shot 71%. The Raptors forward was able to accomplish such efficiency due to the combination of his solid speed and incredible length.

Although Caboclo's offensive game is headlined by his ability as a cutter, his developing ability as a shooter could push him from being a solid prospect to a bonafide stud. That progression was apparent over the course of the season. He closed the season shooting 33% from 3, Caboclo actually shot 36% from beyond the arc once the calendar turned to 2016.

Bruno Caboclo was able to effectively utilize that frame and athleticism on the defensive end, as he averaged 1.8 blocks and 1.1 steals per game. Those 1.8 blocks per game put Caboclo 8th among D-Leaguers.

For a player with such limited experience, Caboclo showcases incredible defensive fundamentals. Looking past his ability to make the big block or steal, Caboclo showcases tremendous defensive awareness. Caboclo was able to quickly recognize where he was on the court and what he needed to do. That awareness was evident as Mermuys was comfortable with implementing Caboclo as the team's free safety, allowing him to create all kinds of chaos. Those risks paid off, as opponents average 5 points per 100 possessions less when Caboclo was on the court (103.1) compared to when he was on the bench (108.7).

[DogeLover1234]

That was awesome, love any Bruno news! Nice to hear the stuff about his defense. I have unrealistic hopes for Bruno, but i would like to see him as the primary backup sf next year. Regardless of if we are a playoff team ir not, he could use the reps to learn and we could use his skills. Team wingspan is coming togewell.

[rightsideup]

yea. my bad. i was lookimg at summer legue

but my point still stands. Brady heslip is an unathleic guard, who doesnt have the body to make it in the nba. his only skill, which is shooting, looks ggreat against inferior competetion, but he would be like jimmer fredette in the nba.

bruno is a legit 7 foot guy that runs the floor and can hit threes at a high rate. big difference

Was not fredette drafted fairly high? Or am I mistaken

[JamesNaismith]

For the people writing off Caboclo, I think they don't understand the context of his background and also his role in the D-League to date...

1. You're talking about a kid that only started playing basketball at 13 y/o and in a remote part of Brazil. How good of basketball coaches do you suspect are available in Barueri , Brazil??? Please someone enlighten me here because then you begin to understand why he is so "raw". He probably had some very basic training overall so he is borderline a blank slate coming in where as many of the kids he is compared against were brought up in VASTLY superior programs in the States which are second to none so his training ground is pretty much our D-League and in that time he has made leaps and bounds.

2. Everyone seems to be in love with Powell and to a lesser to degree Wright but both those guys are what 2-3 years older?! Bruno in his 2 years has gone from looking like just a cartoon character that can shoot a 3 and being completely/utterly lost to a kid who now seems to have some good fundamentals defensively, added the ability to drive to the basket, is rebounding and blocking shots well and finally catching on to offensive & defensive schemes which goes to my next point.

3. So you have a kid that's probably had very little schooling on more advanced training of footwork, positioning, team offensive and defensive schemes and now you throw into the pros and he DOESN'T EVEN SPEAK THE LANGUAGE here. Ie/ I'd like to see how well anyone here plays in China on a team that speaks purely Mandarin/Cantonese and let's see how well they do and understand what's happening both from the coaches and their teammates and also as 19-21 year old kid...as he continues to learn the language his understanding of the game will improve and he'll be able to better adjust in game when he can actually comprehend what his coaches and teammates are saying

4. Lastly, when you look at his D-League numbers he wasn't the focal point on the offence, his OLDER counterparts Powell and Wright were (or do we forget they were being developed as well??). Please go take a look at Bruno's numbers once Norm was brought up...you can youtube at least 4-5 games where Bruno put up over 23+ppg and also had numerous games with over 10rpg, he also had a couple of buzzer beaters, one where he tied the game on a 3ptr and the other a putback to win the game.

If people can comprehend that he is still far from a finished product and even compare him to his older "rookie" counterparts who at the same age were barely a blip in college against lesser competition and get that he will only be where Powell and Wright are in 2-3 years from now, then you'll understand how exciting is where he is in his development. I am 100% confident he will at minimum be a serviceable rotation player in 2-3 years from now and potentially a beast within a couple more from that.

Masai's line (which Fran actually stole - watch the Open Gym on Bruno's draft day) being 2 years away from 2 years away was a totally accurate depiction by MU's evaluation. The first couple of years was the basics he didn't get in his tiny middle of nowhere town, the next two as he better learns the language and the system (while his skills are far from a finished product) you're gonna start seeing all the potential that's there. We're going to be talking about what a steal he is just like Norm...just watch!

[92TillInfinity]

Love the post above ^

On a side note, I want to order a Bruno jersey off of NBA.com. Anyone else within Canada have issues getting the customized jerseys shipped to Canada? I live in Thunder Bay, ON and when I get to the checkout it tells me that product is not available in my Country.

[Hotshot]

For the people writing off Caboclo, I think they don't understand the context of his background and also his role in the D-League to date...

1. You're talking about a kid that only started playing basketball at 13 y/o and in a remote part of Brazil. How good of basketball coaches do you suspect are available in Barueri , Brazil??? Please someone enlighten me here because then you begin to understand why he is so "raw". He probably had some very basic training overall so he is borderline a blank slate coming in where as many of the kids he is compared against were brought up in VASTLY superior programs in the States which are second to none so his training ground is pretty much our D-League and in that time he has made leaps and bounds.

2. Everyone seems to be in love with Powell and to a lesser to degree Wright but both those guys are what 2-3 years older?! Bruno in his 2 years has gone from looking like just a cartoon character that can shoot a 3 and being completely/utterly lost to a kid who now seems to have some good fundamentals defensively, added the ability to drive to the basket, is rebounding and blocking shots well and finally catching on to offensive & defensive schemes which goes to my next point.

3. So you have a kid that's probably had very little schooling on more advanced training of footwork, positioning, team offensive and defensive schemes and now you throw into the pros and he DOESN'T EVEN SPEAK THE LANGUAGE here. Ie/ I'd like to see how well anyone here plays in China on a team that speaks purely Mandarin/Cantonese and let's see how well they do and understand what's happening both from the coaches and their teammates and also as 19-21 year old kid...as he continues to learn the language his understanding of the game will improve and he'll be able to better adjust in game when he can actually comprehend what his coaches and teammates are saying

4. Lastly, when you look at his D-League numbers he wasn't the focal point on the offence, his OLDER counterparts Powell and Wright were (or do we forget they were being developed as well??). Please go take a look at Bruno's numbers once Norm was brought up...you can youtube at least 4-5 games where Bruno put up over 23+ppg and also had numerous games with over 10rpg, he also had a couple of buzzer beaters, one where he tied the game on a 3ptr and the other a putback to win the game.

If people can comprehend that he is still far from a finished product and even compare him to his older "rookie" counterparts who at the same age were barely a blip in college against lesser competition and get that he will only be where Powell and Wright are in 2-3 years from now, then you'll understand how exciting is where he is in his development. I am 100% confident he will at minimum be a serviceable rotation player in 2-3 years from now and potentially a beast within a couple more from that.

Masai's line (which Fran actually stole - watch the Open Gym on Bruno's draft day) being 2 years away from 2 years away was a totally accurate depiction by MU's evaluation. The first couple of years was the basics he didn't get in his tiny middle of nowhere town, the next two as he better learns the language and the system (while his skills are far from a finished product) you're gonna start seeing all the potential that's there. We're going to be talking about what a steal he is just like Norm...just watch!

I see what you are saying and I can agree to most points about cutting him some slack thus far. But you have to agree with me and others that Bruno needs to take a major step forward by next season. By the mid point of next season Bruno simply has got to be playing solid basketball in the D league ala Axel Toupane where the thinking is that they can already bring him up for a few NBA games where he won't be a negative impact on the court.

I think this summer should be the busiest and most important in Bruno's career thus far. In all likelihood the Raptors are going to keep and use that NYC pick to draft a PF in that draft and unless they are going to draft Skal, any big man they draft in that spot will already be more NBA ready then Bruno.

[S.R.]

I am still fully on board the Bruno train and I'm not getting off any time soon.

[slaw]

I see what you are saying and I can agree to most points about cutting him some slack thus far. But you have to agree with me and others that Bruno needs to take a major step forward by next season. By the mid point of next season Bruno simply has got to be playing solid basketball in the D league ala Axel Toupane where the thinking is that they can already bring him up for a few NBA games where he won't be a negative impact on the court.

I think this summer should be the busiest and most important in Bruno's career thus far. In all likelihood the Raptors are going to keep and use that NYC pick to draft a PF in that draft and unless they are going to draft Skal, any big man they draft in that spot will already be more NBA ready then Bruno.

Why by next season? What If it happens in 2017-18? Is his career a complete failure if it doesn't happen in the next 10 months?

[octothorp]

Axel Toupane turned 23 last summer, and previously had 3 years of high-level pro basketball in France prior to a year in D-League. Bruno turns 21 next summer, and so far has had essentially 1 year of D-League as his only meaningful pro experience. Getting to Toupane's level would be both a realistic and encouraging goal, but it hardly means he's a bust if he doesn't get there next year (or even the year after).

And I'm not sure either Chriss or Ellenson are more meaningfully NBA ready than Bruno. Chriss will get destroyed on the boards in the NBA right now, and Ellenson's defense is a going to be a serious work in progress. Bruno probably brings better shooting and defense than either of them, and better rebounding than Chriss right now. All 3 are probably at least a half season of d-league and spot minutes away from playing any real NBA minutes under Casey.

[JamesNaismith]

I see what you are saying and I can agree to most points about cutting him some slack thus far. But you have to agree with me and others that Bruno needs to take a major step forward by next season. By the mid point of next season Bruno simply has got to be playing solid basketball in the D league ala Axel Toupane where the thinking is that they can already bring him up for a few NBA games where he won't be a negative impact on the court.

I think this summer should be the busiest and most important in Bruno's career thus far. In all likelihood the Raptors are going to keep and use that NYC pick to draft a PF in that draft and unless they are going to draft Skal, any big man they draft in that spot will already be more NBA ready then Bruno.

Agreed it should be his busiest, most important not so sure.

Like I said being that they probably had to spend the vast majority of the time just teaching him the basics due to the likely (very) low quality of coaching he received in Barueri, I'm not so quick to judge his long term projection right after this year either. I'm certainly not promoting yet another 4 years or a decade lol but I anticipate they're going to work more on the advanced footwork, positioning, reads and other skills, with some minor work on understanding our systems better and in his final year cement that knowledge of the system, as by that time Carroll will be entering his final year so he'll start to see some solid minutes and his comprehension of the language should have vastly improved even from today.

I also think the franchise's life cycle so to speak makes a big difference on his timeline. This franchise (despite it's anti-Playoff "all-stars") is trying to get into becoming a contender so I don't think we're too concerned with him having much impact next year versus the franchise as a whole taking that next step to legitimize itself and we won't do that by putting a fairly inexperienced kid out on the court unless Bruno takes a massive step in development over the summer. Personally I think next year we will see him averaging 20+ppg in the D-League which you can write off but even Jeremy Lamb put up numbers like that (and please tell me who is the godly prospect that put up 30+ppg as a standard that apparently we want him to live up to). I think next year he'll be lucky to get JJ's minutes and by year 4, we'll see him crack the rotation and THEN I think everybody including our management is going to draw conclusion if this kid has what it takes to be in the league or if it's time to cut ties.

Personally I think it's far smarter to let him work out all the kinks than to try and throw into a top 3 team in the East and have him rot on the bench under Casey. Also when he has a single year of maybe 20mpg it will make for a lot easier contract negotiation . By year 4 a lot of his raw skills should be better developed AND it makes it easier to incorporate him into our rotation instead of trying to through him in next year when clearly he's not there just yet. Think of it this way...next year would be like Delon and Powell's final year in college, it's Bruno's last year of schooling as well imo and year 4 he'll be a "rookie" as they are "rookies" now and he'll likely see similar minutes as they did but I really believe he's gonna have that Powell like surprise come year 4, we'll lock him in for another 4-5 years at great contract as a result and THEN we're going to we're going to see the huge ROI.

[white men can't jump]

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2016...th-raptors-905

Yeah, they talk about him being a good cutter and the bit I saw him this year that was definitely the most pleasant surprise. He's quite good slashing to the basket and manages to finish well. Should get better as he gets stronger.

Still got all the patience in the world for this kid. He takes up a tiny fraction of our cap (even tinier starting next season). He's the last man on the depth chart and nobody you put there is really expected to contribute anyway. So far he's shown improvement and I'm good with keeping him around to see how much more he can show.

[Superjudge]

Tell us more about how JV is a stiff! I like the old numbers more than this new stuff. The classics.

oh shut up. You know damn well what I meant when i called him a stiff, if you didnt, youre more of a stats geek than I thought. Don't be the lame guy that cherry picks comments and ignore entire posts. I said time and time he was making progress, but wasnt there. I also said, many times, i thought he could be another gasol.... left that part out didnt ya???



JV was a stiff.
I said it like it was...... and now he is better, also like I said he would be.

Don't try and discredit me Dan, why bother? You guys constantly try and never succeed..... its silly.

Stick to your stats.

Coboclo is terrible.

[OldSkoolCool]

oh shut up. You know damn well what I meant when i called him a stiff, if you didnt, youre more of a stats geek than I thought. Don't be the lame guy that cherry picks comments and ignore entire posts. I said time and time he was making progress, but wasnt there. I also said, many times, i thought he could be another gasol.... left that part out didnt ya???



JV was a stiff.
I said it like it was...... and now he is better, also like I said he would be.

Don't try and discredit me Dan, why bother? You guys constantly try and never succeed..... its silly.

Stick to your stats.

Coboclo is terrible.

Don't even try and recover from this one

You were 110% wrong. Own it and shut up

[Bonus Jonas]

Smh Coboclo is terrible

[Superjudge]

Don't even try and recover from this one

You were 110% wrong. Own it and shut up

Oh buddy, if only it were true.....