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2014 draft missed picks after Bruno that would have been giving minutes on the Raptors today:
23rd pick - Hood
25th pick - Capella
27th pick - Bogdanovic
30th pick - Kyle Anderson
38th pick - Spencer Dimwiddie
39th pick - Jerami Grant
41st pick - Nicola Jockic
46th pick - Jordan Clarkson.
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Hotshot wrote: View Post2014 draft missed picks after Bruno that would have been giving minutes on the Raptors today:
23rd pick - Hood
25th pick - Capella
27th pick - Bogdanovic
30th pick - Kyle Anderson
38th pick - Spencer Dimwiddie
39th pick - Jerami Grant
41st pick - Nicola Jockic
46th pick - Jordan Clarkson."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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S.R. wrote: View PostWhy does Bruno catch all the heat? You can blame half that list on the DeAndre Daniels pick.
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golden wrote: View PostAnd people forget that Tyler Ennis was Masai's first choice. So forget about all those other guys, Raps still would have ended up with Tyler Ennis (who is on his 4th team already) and Bruno from that draft if everything went perfectly for Masai. Most important takeaway from the 2014 draft is that it sucked and was ridiculously over-rated, starting with Andrew Wiggins. And 2014 was THE draft that everybody wanted us to blow it up and tank for.Last edited by Hotshot; Mon Jan 8, 2018, 03:35 PM.
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Hotshot wrote: View PostYep and the Raps would have traded Derozan in order to get a subdued version of himself. I think by missing all these players after Bruno it shows that swinging for the fences overreaching picks do not usually pan out.
I think what it shows is that when you pick outside the lottery, you will miss more than you hit, and Masai having so few black marks on his record with all these late picks is a freaking miracle.
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DanH wrote: View PostDelon was a reach at his position. Siakam was a reach at his position.
I think what it shows is that when you pick outside the lottery, you will miss more than you hit, and Masai having so few black marks on his record with all these late picks is a freaking miracle.
Point being, you can draft the absolute right guy for all the right reasons but if you can't make him a pro in your organization then the pick looks bad. Conversely, you can draft a marginal guy or even make a bad mistake but if you turn that guy into a pro, then the pick looks great. This also is to say that you can't necessarily look at who was picked behind a guy and go, 'well, that guy is better or worse, etc., so we had a good/bad draft'. Maybe. Or maybe there's a lot more to the story.
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DanH wrote: View PostDelon was a reach at his position. Siakam was a reach at his position.Last edited by Hotshot; Mon Jan 8, 2018, 07:51 PM.
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slaw wrote: View PostProbably not the best place for the comment but I've been noticing that for all the focus on the draft itself there isn't a lot of commentary on player development, which is also extremely important. When I think about the guys the Raps have drafted recently I get the feeling that all of them are where they are due in large part to the Raps developmental system. Everyone is so focused on player acquisition and roster management because they are sexy and easy to speculate about but player development is so underrated and I think the NBA has historically not done a great job at it.
Point being, you can draft the absolute right guy for all the right reasons but if you can't make him a pro in your organization then the pick looks bad. Conversely, you can draft a marginal guy or even make a bad mistake but if you turn that guy into a pro, then the pick looks great. This also is to say that you can't necessarily look at who was picked behind a guy and go, 'well, that guy is better or worse, etc., so we had a good/bad draft'. Maybe. Or maybe there's a lot more to the story.
Development and learning is a mindset, and not all prospects have it.
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SkywalkerAC wrote: View PostI think it's also important you pick guys who are willing to be developed and coached (if not a super-duperstar I guess). Say what you will about Bruno, but he isn't just mailing it in and collecting his paycheck - he's working to get his career on track and playing great defense having volunteered to stay with the 905 this season. Siakam and OG both started as rookies but both seem humble and motivated to get better and would have played their hearts out for the 905 if assigned. Delon has put in his work. FVV the same. Hopefully we see Norm's commitment to improvement paying off as the long season winds along.
Development and learning is a mindset, and not all prospects have it.
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SkywalkerAC wrote: View PostI think it's also important you pick guys who are willing to be developed and coached (if not a super-duperstar I guess). Say what you will about Bruno, but he isn't just mailing it in and collecting his paycheck - he's working to get his career on track and playing great defense having volunteered to stay with the 905 this season. Siakam and OG both started as rookies but both seem humble and motivated to get better and would have played their hearts out for the 905 if assigned. Delon has put in his work. FVV the same. Hopefully we see Norm's commitment to improvement paying off as the long season winds along.
Development and learning is a mindset, and not all prospects have it."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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