#FireCasey

[Axel]

Oh, and Greg Steimsma played twice as many minutes last year than either Bebe or Bruno.

Does that not fall under the contract status you mentioned above?

[Uncle_Si]

There is a history of it, so I can look at total minutes. All those circumstances never existed in your mind?

Our bench has been awful this season. But yeah, no chance to play any of the young guys. Sheesh. We have two defensive rookies. They aren't going to be liabilities out there on D, so you get them some burn, they develop more and perhaps they help shore of that bench unit as the season progresses.

What history of it? JV? Because although there was a lot of talk about JV deserving minutes, the numbers told a different story. (Unlike this year)

Isn't that the point of the dleague though? Are they not getting burn down there? Is it worth it to have Wright Powell and Bruno up to potentially play 5mins with the raps rather than 38mins with the 905?

[Uncle_Si]

Oh, and Greg Steimsma played twice as many minutes last year than either Bebe or Bruno.

Does that not fall under the contract status you mentioned above?

Lol you can't use Bruno. I'll give you Bebe but Bebe was also chronically injured last season too...

[Axel]

What history of it? JV? Because although there was a lot of talk about JV deserving minutes, the numbers told a different story. (Unlike this year)

Isn't that the point of the dleague though? Are they not getting burn down there? Is it worth it to have Wright Powell and Bruno up to potentially play 5mins with the raps rather than 38mins with the 905?

Does last year not exist anymore? Was the playoff defeat so awful that we've wiped the entire season off the record books?

No D-League team, 2 centers on the team. One a min vet on a 1 yr deal - the other a mid round draft pick with overseas experience. Who benefits the team more?

[Chr1s1anL]

This is such a moronic arguement. On a winning team there is no room for a lottery pick to play. They have to be developed. That's what the dleague is for. Once they can dominate in the dleague or they master a skill that can help in the NBA they will get some playing time.

The jump between NCAA and NBA is massive. It takes time for guys to learn how to play in the NBA. Lottery pick status doesn't guarantee automatic contribution. There are decades of examples of this being the case.

This isn't a dwane Casey thing, it's an NBA thing.

Well put.

[Axel]

Even this year Bebe still isn't getting minutes. Even when JV was out and Biyombo was the only active C, Bebe didn't get much time on the court and even got some DNP-CDs.

Lowry and DD avg 36 MPG. But yeah, no minutes for Powell or Wright (even when they are called up).

[Chr1s1anL]

Powell, Wright and Bebe.

Bennett might even fall into this category.

Who should they play over though? Who minutes are you taking away to play these rookies? Especially with how tight the east is.

[Uncle_Si]

Does last year not exist anymore? Was the playoff defeat so awful that we've wiped the entire season off the record books?

No D-League team, 2 centers on the team. One a min vet on a 1 yr deal - the other a mid round draft pick with overseas experience. Who benefits the team more?

I don't understand what getting wiped in the playoffs has to do with Bebe being chronically injured and Bruno not being anywhere close to ready?

Fckin Bebe finally gets his chance to play this year, and really plays well, then tweaks his ankle and is out for a couple games. If a coach can't count on you (especially as a rookie) why would he play him? Raptors are trying to balance winning and development. It's not an exact science, but so far it seems to be working doesn't it? Second place in a much better eastern conference and a lot of signature wins. If the Raptors won 2 of the Phoenix, Orlando, the Knicks or Sacramento games they're tied for 1st.

And here you are complaining about rookies not playing. Even though they are playing (really well) in the dleague. What's the rush with them?

[Chr1s1anL]

Miami has Justice Winslow that filled an immediate need, same with Myles Turner. Portis is an energy guy and teams can generally find a spot for those types of players (ours is Biyombo).

On the Raptors, none of the rookies we have fill an immediate hole right now and we haven't had many blow out wins.

Of course Bruno and Bebe never played last year, they weren't on the team to contribute. The lack of dleague really stifled their growth last year.

Powell got run when there were injuries and guys (TRoss) weren't performing. They are now, so who do you sit?

You can't just look at the minutes other rookies get, you have to look at the situation the team is in when they do play. Is it a blow out? Does the rookie fill a position or a role that is other wise missing on the team? Are there injuries? Are starters or rotation players not performing? What is the mid term status of rotational players in terms of contracts and where do the teams rookies fit in?

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[Axel]

I don't understand what getting wiped in the playoffs has to do with Bebe being chronically injured and Bruno not being anywhere close to ready?

Fckin Bebe finally gets his chance to play this year, and really plays well, then tweaks his ankle and is out for a couple games. If a coach can't count on you (especially as a rookie) why would he play him? Raptors are trying to balance winning and development. It's not an exact science, but so far it seems to be working doesn't it? Second place in a much better eastern conference and a lot of signature wins. If the Raptors won 2 of the Phoenix, Orlando, the Knicks or Sacramento games they're tied for 1st.

And here you are complaining about rookies not playing. Even though they are playing (really well) in the dleague. What's the rush with them?

Well Bebe did get 3 DNP-CDs after JV went down before getting his first action. So unless Casey is using precognitive abilities to predict any injuries, that theory doesn't really hold much ground.

[Axel]

Who should they play over though? Who minutes are you taking away to play these rookies? Especially with how tight the east is.

DD, KL, Scola, Biyombo, Patterson, and Ross. That's 6 guys. 1 minute from each would be better than none.

[3inthekeon]

Through Dec 18, Portis had played under 27 minutes for the Bulls. Norman Powell had played 71 minutes. Powell had the opportunity due to injury, Portis didn't to that point. Now it's reversed.

Casey isn't Larry Brown with rooks, but he does prefer his vets, as do most coaches with contending teams. Rookies as a whole make a ton of mistakes, a lot of those not observable to casual fans.

Raptors also have been in few blowouts, just a guess, but maybe among the fewest in the league. We're a confounding team, we come back from big deficits to put ourselves in position to win, but also let huge leads disappear. This also lessens opportunities for our rooks.

[Uncle_Si]

DD, KL, Scola, Biyombo, Patterson, and Ross. That's 6 guys. 1 minute from each would be better than none.

Right and that 1 minute from each is better than 30+ in the dleague?

[Uncle_Si]

Through Dec 18, Portis had played under 27 minutes for the Bulls. Norman Powell had played 71 minutes. Powell had the opportunity due to injury, Portis didn't to that point. Now it's reversed.

Casey isn't Larry Brown with rooks, but he does prefer his vets, as do most coaches with contending teams. Rookies as a whole make a ton of mistakes, a lot of those not observable to casual fans.

Raptors also have been in few blowouts, just a guess, but maybe among the fewest in the league. We're a confounding team, we come back from big deficits to put ourselves in position to win, but also let huge leads disappear. This also lessens opportunities for our rooks.

Don't say that stuff! You're killing the "Casey hates rookies and is crushing the franchise" narrative.

I'm not a Casey fan, but if we're going to criticize him it should be done in context.

[Axel]

Right and that 1 minute from each is better than 30+ in the dleague?

How many minutes is Powell and Bebe getting in the D-League?

They aren't full time in the D-League. Wright has been called up only to get the DNP-CD. So again, that argument holds no weight.