#FireCasey

[mcHAPPY]

It's a bit Premature to guess on the playing time of a potential lottery pick next season.

So now the #firecasey people are using that as a reason to can Casey? lol

You guys keep grasping for straws... Smh


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We have 2 recent lottery picks as evidence of players sat for journeyman throughout course of rookie contract.

Why would a third be any different?

[special1]

We have 2 recent lottery picks as evidence of players sat for journeyman throughout course of rookie contract.

Why would a third be any different?

I assume you're speaking of JV and Ross?

Maybe because the vets played better defense....

It's not very hard if you think about it.




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[A.I]

Bruno shouldn't be playing nba. Who is talking about him?

And yet pop, Thibs, Vogel, SVG, Spo etc. find time for young players.

Discussion was spurred by talk of potential lottery pick next season - not a current or former #20

Hoiberg as well. Look at how well Portis has been doing, meanwhile Wright has barely got any playing time.

There are coaches that know how to use their young guys, there are coaches that know how to develop them. Casey isn't one of them. Either we're talking about a lottery pick next season, not a 20th or later pick.

[Wild-ling#1]

Hoiberg as well. Look at how well Portis has been doing, meanwhile Wright has barely got any playing time.

There are coaches that know how to use their young guys, there are coaches that know how to develop them. Casey isn't one of them. Either we're talking about a lottery pick next season, not a 20th or later pick.

There is often more than one way to get a job done. We know that Wright was drafted before CoJo was signed. But he's playing a ton with our D-League team (probably working on his shooting as much as anything - beware, CoJo!) We'll see if he gets any "run" later this season ...

But I don't think Casey has to agree with you for the world to keep turning ...

[JawsGT]

There really isn't enough minutes to go around to justify giving any amount of burn to our young guys. I think that's the reality of the situation the Raps are in. Where does Wright's minutes come from, or Powell's, or Bruno's? There is perhaps an argument for Bebe over Biz, or maybe Bennett over JJ, but that's all I can see. Even when both Patterson and Ross were performing sub-optimally, it would have been tough to give some of their minutes to the younger guys cause they are just two of our four floor spacers, and none of the younger guys can shoot the 3 (Bruno perhaps, but he needs alot of work yet). But hey, maybe after we empty our bench to sign Durant and resign Demar, all those guys can slip into backup roles next season .

[mcHAPPY]

I assume you're speaking of JV and Ross?

Maybe because the vets played better defense....

It's not very hard if you think about it.




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Casey did a good job brainwashing.

You mean Salmons 108 DRtg vs Ross' 107?

And Hansbrough 104 DRtg vs JVs 104?

2013-14 numbers

[Eliza]

Considering Pop and Spo have both commented on the importance of giving young guys more opportunity to for the betterment of the team, I'm going to side with them over the likes of you.

Bruno shouldn't be playing nba. Who is talking about him?

And yet pop, Thibs, Vogel, SVG, Spo etc. find time for young players.

Discussion was spurred by talk of potential lottery pick next season - not a current or former #20

Hoiberg as well. Look at how well Portis has been doing, meanwhile Wright has barely got any playing time.

There are coaches that know how to use their young guys, there are coaches that know how to develop them. Casey isn't one of them. Either we're talking about a lottery pick next season, not a 20th or later pick.

Yeah, all these coaches that give more playing time to rookies to develop, eh. I was asked yesterday for quantifiable data to support my opinion. Well, here's quantifiable data to say you guys are talking out of......

Pop?
He's had so few 1st rounders, never mind lottery picks, in recent years, but even current all-star Kawhi played exact same
MPGs his 1st year as JV got, but word here is that JV was held back.
Despite that, there has to be more examples than 1 to support a "Pop finds minutes for young guys", right?
Recent 1st rounders, if we're also talking the likes of Wright, like some are:
Kyle Anderson 10.8 MPG 1st yr, 12.1 MPG 2nd yr
Cory Joseph, over 4 yrs, (games/mpg): 29/9, 28/14, 68/14, 79/18

Thibs?
1st yr, Jimmy Butler averaged 8.5 MPG in only 42 games, compared to JV's 24 and Ross's 17,,,
2nd yr averaged 26 MPG compared to JV's 28 and Ross's 26.7
McDermott, 1st yr averaged 8.9 MPG in only 36 games played, is averaging 21.7 MPG his 2nd yr, far less than JV's or Ross's 2nd yrs 28/27

Hoiberg/Portis?
In 1st 24 games, Portis had 20 DNP/CDs, and averaged 7 MPG in 4 games played, with more than half of that vs PHI in 2 games, until injuries forced his use

Spo?
Been a while since Miami had a lottery pick, but in 2008, the great Pat Riley drafted Beasley 2nd overall, when the likes of Westbrook, Love, Gallinari, Ibaka were on the board. Beasley averaged less than JV in his 1st year, and his development was so good, look what happened to him.

Vogel?
Again, not many picks, especially lottery to serve as examples of the narrative, but:
#23 pick Solomon Hill played 8 MPG in 28 games his first yr. 2nd yr minutes jumped up huge with PG out, 3rd yr averaging 9.5 MPG in 17 games
2015 lottery pick, Myles Turner has only played 11 games, averaging 16 MPG, far less than JV's rookie yr, even less than Ross's

SVG?

Stanley Johnson, last year's lottery pick: average MPG so far, less than JV's 1st yr, and only a few minutes more than Ross, though the year is far from over.


The quantifiable data doesn't support the narrative at all

[CB4Champ]

Because Masai put together a good, deep roster.

Jimi

[CB4Champ]

Don't Forget guys That POPOVICH REPS EVERYONE..

POPOVICH COACH OF SAN ANTONIO HAD 14 GUYS INSIDE DOUBLE DIGITS MINUTES!!!

AND THEY ALL REPPED AT LEAST 26 GAMES!!!

ALSO REMEBER THAT COACH DWAYNE CASEY A HATER.

PEOPLE WHO DEFEND DWAYNE CASEY YOU SHOULD NOT TRUST WHAT THEY SAY.

THOSE PEOPLE WHO DEFEND CASEY BABBLE AND BABBLE AND DON'T SAY NOTHING

REMINDS ME OF THE DEMAR DEROZAN HATERS WHO STARTED COMPLAINING ABOUT
WHETHER DEMAR WAS HANDSOME OR NOT. IF HATERS CAN'T HATE YOUR GAME THEY WILL STILL HATE


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[3inthekeon]

Casey did a good job brainwashing.

You mean Salmons 108 DRtg vs Ross' 107?

And Hansbrough 104 DRtg vs JVs 104?

2013-14 numbers

Posted something the other day about DRTG having a weak correlation to skill, although yes, it does have some correlation.

Using it as a "proof" stat?

No it doesn't prove much.

As a matter of fact ORTG has a higher correlation to skill.

And last year Hansbro had the highest ORTG on the team.

[special1]

#FireCasey

Yeah, all these coaches that give more playing time to rookies to develop, eh. I was asked yesterday for quantifiable data to support my opinion. Well, here's quantifiable data to say you guys are talking out of......

Pop?
He's had so few 1st rounders, never mind lottery picks, in recent years, but even current all-star Kawhi played exact same
MPGs his 1st year as JV got, but word here is that JV was held back.
Despite that, there has to be more examples than 1 to support a "Pop finds minutes for young guys", right?
Recent 1st rounders, if we're also talking the likes of Wright, like some are:
Kyle Anderson 10.8 MPG 1st yr, 12.1 MPG 2nd yr
Cory Joseph, over 4 yrs, (games/mpg): 29/9, 28/14, 68/14, 79/18

Thibs?
1st yr, Jimmy Butler averaged 8.5 MPG in only 42 games, compared to JV's 24 and Ross's 17,,,
2nd yr averaged 26 MPG compared to JV's 28 and Ross's 26.7
McDermott, 1st yr averaged 8.9 MPG in only 36 games played, is averaging 21.7 MPG his 2nd yr, far less than JV's or Ross's 2nd yrs 28/27

Hoiberg/Portis?
In 1st 24 games, Portis had 20 DNP/CDs, and averaged 7 MPG in 4 games played, with more than half of that vs PHI in 2 games, until injuries forced his use

Spo?
Been a while since Miami had a lottery pick, but in 2008, the great Pat Riley drafted Beasley 2nd overall, when the likes of Westbrook, Love, Gallinari, Ibaka were on the board. Beasley averaged less than JV in his 1st year, and his development was so good, look what happened to him.

Vogel?
Again, not many picks, especially lottery to serve as examples of the narrative, but:
#23 pick Solomon Hill played 8 MPG in 28 games his first yr. 2nd yr minutes jumped up huge with PG out, 3rd yr averaging 9.5 MPG in 17 games
2015 lottery pick, Myles Turner has only played 11 games, averaging 16 MPG, far less than JV's rookie yr, even less than Ross's

SVG?

Stanley Johnson, last year's lottery pick: average MPG so far, less than JV's 1st yr, and only a few minutes more than Ross, though the year is far from over.


The quantifiable data doesn't support the narrative at all

There you go! People need to stop making stuff up, just because they don't like Casey.

Thanks for the fact check Eliza.

Can't wait to hear the counter argument for this.


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[mcHAPPY]

Yeah, all these coaches that give more playing time to rookies to develop, eh. I was asked yesterday for quantifiable data to support my opinion. Well, here's quantifiable data to say you guys are talking out of......

Pop?
He's had so few 1st rounders, never mind lottery picks, in recent years, but even current all-star Kawhi played exact same
MPGs his 1st year as JV got, but word here is that JV was held back.
Despite that, there has to be more examples than 1 to support a "Pop finds minutes for young guys", right?
Recent 1st rounders, if we're also talking the likes of Wright, like some are:
Kyle Anderson 10.8 MPG 1st yr, 12.1 MPG 2nd yr
Cory Joseph, over 4 yrs, (games/mpg): 29/9, 28/14, 68/14, 79/18

Thibs?
1st yr, Jimmy Butler averaged 8.5 MPG in only 42 games, compared to JV's 24 and Ross's 17,,,
2nd yr averaged 26 MPG compared to JV's 28 and Ross's 26.7
McDermott, 1st yr averaged 8.9 MPG in only 36 games played, is averaging 21.7 MPG his 2nd yr, far less than JV's or Ross's 2nd yrs 28/27

Hoiberg/Portis?
In 1st 24 games, Portis had 20 DNP/CDs, and averaged 7 MPG in 4 games played, with more than half of that vs PHI in 2 games, until injuries forced his use

Spo?
Been a while since Miami had a lottery pick, but in 2008, the great Pat Riley drafted Beasley 2nd overall, when the likes of Westbrook, Love, Gallinari, Ibaka were on the board. Beasley averaged less than JV in his 1st year, and his development was so good, look what happened to him.

Vogel?
Again, not many picks, especially lottery to serve as examples of the narrative, but:
#23 pick Solomon Hill played 8 MPG in 28 games his first yr. 2nd yr minutes jumped up huge with PG out, 3rd yr averaging 9.5 MPG in 17 games
2015 lottery pick, Myles Turner has only played 11 games, averaging 16 MPG, far less than JV's rookie yr, even less than Ross's

SVG?

Stanley Johnson, last year's lottery pick: average MPG so far, less than JV's 1st yr, and only a few minutes more than Ross, though the year is far from over.


The quantifiable data doesn't support the narrative at all

The 2015 data is barely a 1/3 of season in. So no. Also Myles broke his hand.

Secondly, TALENT. TALENT. TALENT. Talent matters.


Yet again, age and years in league don't matter. TALENT matters.


Look at all the guys who have been played over JV and Ross......

......and none of them are currently on the team. Next year, most likely, you can add Biz to that list.

The young guys who are here for the long term, you play them, as much as you can when you have journeyman vets as the alternative.


Notice how very few are up in arms about Delon Wright? You've got an all-star and Joseph ahead of him and he can play in DLeague.
Notice no one is upset about Powell? YOu've got DD and Ross ahead of him and he can play in DLeague.
Notice no one is upset about Bruno? He isn't an NBA player at this time and he can play in DLEague.
Notice few are upset about Bebe? JV and Biz are ahead of him and he can get a lot of mins in DLeague.

[mcHAPPY]

Posted something the other day about DRTG having a weak correlation to skill, although yes, it does have some correlation.

Using it as a "proof" stat?

No it doesn't prove much.

As a matter of fact ORTG has a higher correlation to skill.

And last year Hansbro had the highest ORTG on the team.

So we are going to bring in ORtg to a conversation spurred by Biz getting the nod to play over JV in the 4th?

FFS

[special1]

#FireCasey

Don't Forget guys That POPOVICH REPS EVERYONE..

POPOVICH COACH OF SAN ANTONIO HAD 14 GUYS INSIDE DOUBLE DIGITS MINUTES!!!

AND THEY ALL REPPED AT LEAST 26 GAMES!!!

ALSO REMEBER THAT COACH DWAYNE CASEY A HATER.

PEOPLE WHO DEFEND DWAYNE CASEY YOU SHOULD NOT TRUST WHAT THEY SAY.

THOSE PEOPLE WHO DEFEND CASEY BABBLE AND BABBLE AND DON'T SAY NOTHING

REMINDS ME OF THE DEMAR DEROZAN HATERS WHO STARTED COMPLAINING ABOUT
WHETHER DEMAR WAS HANDSOME OR NOT. IF HATERS CAN'T HATE YOUR GAME THEY WILL STILL HATE

You haven't been around long enough, it seems.

The Demar haters (your words) are mostly the same ones who are hating on Casey.

Also, your Pop reps everyone comment doesn't hold up to the facts.

Pops doesn't play rookies all that much either.

Stop hating on Casey and rep the team like you're supposed to. Casey is a good guy who has our team winning. He isn't perfect, but nobody is.


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[mcHAPPY]

You haven't been around long enough, it seems.

The Demar haters (your words) are mostly the same ones who are hating on Casey.

Also, your Pop reps everyone comment doesn't hold up to the facts.

Pops doesn't play rookies all that much either.

Stop hating on Casey and rep the team like you're supposed to. Casey is a good guy who has our team winning. He isn't perfect, but nobody is.


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Conversation is not, or should not, be limited to rookies.

JV and Ross been overlooked for years by numerous players no longer on roster.


I can't believe how many are willing to arguably sacrifice the now (because the alternatives are hardly obviously better players) for the future.

The brainwash runs deep.