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**thead** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:20 PM

hotfuzz wrote: View Post

heard this somewhere: "kevin love tried to defend blatt, ,but the firing came in the form of a pick n roll."

lmao

**Jclaw** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:21 PM

Barolt wrote: View Post

The Cavs firing Blatt today shows the difference between an organization that thinks they can win and an organization that expects mediocrity. Blatt went 83-40 with a Finals appearance, got fired because they didn't think they could win the Finals.

Casey brought us the worst playoff series a top seed has ever had, and we decided to keep him.

Sorry, but I find that a superficial backhanded insult of our team/coach. Whether you like Casey or not (I'm indifferent), this was not a sign of an organization being proactive and having a winning culture. It's a sign of an inept organization that hired a relative wild card (in terms of NBA coaching experience) right before they lured back the biggest superstar in the NBA. One that may have a history of liking to be in charge. They're just doing something that makes them look stupid to help cover up something else they did that made them look stupid.

**thead** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:26 PM

I think Blatt would have been a great coach if he could have eased into it and brought along his rookies.

**thead** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:28 PM

I gotta agree with Jclaw. This is an inept organization doing damage control.

**Barolt** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:30 PM

Jclaw wrote: View Post

Sorry, but I find that a superficial backhanded insult of our team/coach. Whether you like Casey or not (I'm indifferent), this was not a sign of an organization being proactive and having a winning culture. It's a sign of an inept organization that hired a relative wild card (in terms of NBA coaching experience) right before they lured back the biggest superstar in the NBA. One that may have a history of liking to be in charge. They're just doing something that makes them look stupid to help cover up something else they did that made them look stupid.

While we'll never really know why he was fired, the speculation that he wouldn't stand up to LeBron would definitely be grounds for firing in my opinion. Your coach should hold all your players, even the best ones, accountable. And that last sentence WAS a shot at our team/coach.

**JWash** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:34 PM

Barolt wrote: View Post

The Cavs firing Blatt today shows the difference between an organization that thinks they can win and an organization that expects mediocrity. Blatt went 83-40 with a Finals appearance, got fired because they didn't think they could win the Finals.

Casey brought us the worst playoff series a top seed has ever had, and we decided to keep him.

Umm... no

The Cavs are looking for a scapegoat for not being as good as the Warriors and Spurs. Like someone else mentioned, they were either firing Blatt or shipping Love out of there. This is literally a panic move.

Yes I'm sure Masai decided not to fire Casey because he's comfortable with mediocrity and not because he's trying to make sure
that if he does replace Casey he replaces him with someone who can take us to the next level and not just to alleviate frustration and replace one average coach with another one.

**JWash** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:36 PM

thead wrote: View Post

I think Blatt would have been a great coach if he could have eased into it and brought along his rookies.

He got fucked. He thought he was coming into a rebuilding situation with the Cavs where he'd have a chance to build up and grow a young team. Next thing you know they're dropping LeBron and Kevin Love in his lap. Yes I know that sounds like a "good thing" but LeBron has never really been one to show respect to head coaches unless they have significant pedigree (I say this as a LeBron fan). The only reason he bit his tongue with Spo in Miami is because of the guy pulling the strings and his rings (Pat Riley) and his buddy D-Wade vouching for Eric.

**Barolt** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:36 PM

JWash wrote: View Post

Umm... no

The Cavs are looking for a scapegoat for not being as good as the Warriors and Spurs. Like someone else mentioned, they were either firing Blatt or shipping Love out of there. This is literally a panic move.

Yes I'm sure Masai decided not to fire Casey because he's comfortable with mediocrity and not because he's trying to make sure
that if he does replace Casey he replaces him with someone who can take us to the next level and not just to alleviate frustration and replace one average coach with another one.

I don't feel like this was such a panic move. It was a 'we have one of the best players of all-time and need to win a championship' move. They know they have a small championship window with LeBron's age. If the stories about Blatt refusing to stand up to LeBron are true, then it was the right move.

**JWash** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:39 PM

Barolt wrote: View Post

I don't feel like this was such a panic move. It was a 'we have one of the best players of all-time and need to win a championship' move. They know they have a small championship window with LeBron's age. If the stories about Blatt refusing to stand up to LeBron are true, then it was the right move.

If it wasn't a panic move then why didn't they address this in the offseason? Why does it come off the back of being spanked by the Warriors.

This was anything but something that was done in a cool and calculated manner. It reminds me of when the Raps fired Sam Mitchell after getting blown out by Denver. Why not just fucking do it in the offseason if you didn't think he was the guy?

I've seen one logical, calculated mid-season firing ever in my time watching basketball and that was when Pat Riley fired Stan Van Gundy in 2006 and then coached the Heat to the title. And that was only logical because he's one of the 5 or 6 best coaches of all time.

**Barolt** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:42 PM

JWash wrote: View Post

If it wasn't a panic move then why didn't they address this in the offseason? Why does it come off the back of being spanked by the Warriors.

This was anything but something that was done in a cool and calculated manner. It reminds me of when the Raps fired Sam Mitchell after getting blown out by Denver. Why not just fucking do it in the offseason if you didn't think he was the guy?

I've seen one logical, calculated mid-season firing ever in my time watching basketball and that was when Pat Riley fired Stan Van Gundy in 2006 and then coached the Heat to the title. And that was only logical because he's one of the 5 or 6 best coaches of all time.

Right, but... the Cavs have a legitimate title window, right now, if they can figure things out. You don't wait and waste that kind of opportunity. LeBron's on the north side of 30 now. If they're going to figure things out and win a title with him, it's now or never.

**JWash** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:46 PM

Barolt wrote: View Post

Right, but... the Cavs have a legitimate title window, right now, if they can figure things out. You don't wait and waste that kind of opportunity. LeBron's on the north side of 30 now. If they're going to figure things out and win a title with him, it's now or never.

This is beside the point. Yes they have a championship window right now, that does not change the fact that this was a panic move. If you thought Blatt was not going to be the guy to take you to the promised land, you fire him in the offseason, you do a thorough search for a new head coach who you think can take you there and hire him before the season, let him implement his vision.

You don't freak out when you get the shit smacked out of you by the Warriors and then fire him lol.

**Barolt** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:47 PM

JWash wrote: View Post

This is beside the point. Yes they have a championship window right now, that does not change the fact that this was a panic move. If you thought Blatt was not going to be the guy to take you to the promised land, you fire him in the offseason, you do a thorough search for a new head coach who you think can take you there and hire him before the season, let him implement his vision.

You don't freak out when you get the shit smacked out of you by the Warriors and then fire him lol.

But waiting until the coming offseason might've been too late for their window. How many seasons as a top 3 talent in the NBA does LeBron have left? 2-3, max?

**Barolt** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:53 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....ers_cen_2.html

Honestly, this is pretty damning of Blatt. By the way, the 'LeBron not held accountable' problem is familiar to our team. DeMar/Kyle aren't at all held accountable when they have awful defensive games, or stretches of horrible pull up shots.

**JWash** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:56 PM

Barolt wrote: View Post

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index....ers_cen_2.html

Honestly, this is pretty damning of Blatt. By the way, the 'LeBron not held accountable' problem is familiar to our team. DeMar/Kyle aren't at all held accountable when they have awful defensive games, or stretches of horrible pull up shots.

You do realize this confirms what I'm saying about this being a panic move right?

Brendan Haywood played for the Cavs last season, if this was such a huge problem then why did they not fire him in the offseason? Why did they wait until a blowout loss to the Warriors to address it?

**JWash** · Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:56 PM

Barolt wrote: View Post

But waiting until the coming offseason might've been too late for their window. How many seasons as a top 3 talent in the NBA does LeBron have left? 2-3, max?

I mean they should've fired him last offseason if he wasn't good enough.

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