#FireCasey

[magoon]

The Mark Jackson comparisons are pretty spot on. Both Jackson and Casey are superbly good at motivating their players - and that's an important part of the job and one that a lot of people underrate. Neither one is a creative offensive coach and neither one is good at changing things up when they need changing.

(Everybody bringing up Jackson's record needs to remember that Jackson had much better players to work with, including Stephen "Best Shooter In The Goddamn League And One Of The Best In History" Curry - but also David Lee, Andrew Bogut and Andre Iguodala, among others. It's not surprising that Jackson would get better results than Casey when he also had better talent to work with.)

I said before that Casey earned his extension, which he had done, and he deserves the rest of the season to try and get out of this funk because he's earned that too. Firing him right now would be extremely premature. The team isn't having a good stretch? All teams have bad stretches, and again, it's worth remembering that we've overachieved. We don't even really have five starter-caliber players (no, Ross doesn't count). But if we end up with a .500 record and a first-round exit, I suspect the Raps will eat Casey's second year and find someone else.

[Superjudge]

There is an evident downward spiral and nothing has been done to change or correct it.


I am not sure that firing Casey right now is the answer but his time is up after this season.

These are the types of comments that lately, have started to keep me away from this forum. I have started to ask myself if I have a problem, if, I am addicted to coming to a forum and reading posts and comments about a sport I know and love, that are so fucking ridiculous, so uneducated and wayward that it hurts.

I must be.

Because honestly, do some of you read what you post?? do you think to yourselves... "yeah, thats it, I'm sooo fucking right on this, WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE ELSE SEE THIS???"

Because honestly.... most of this expert analysis is bullshit. Or horseshit. Perhaps weasel shit or Raccoon shit, or those little nugget looking shits I see when I walk the dog.....I dunno. Just shit though.

Look at this post I have quoted. A dude. some regular dude, general pop, no Basketball experience really, watches games on TV, reads articles etc..... likely watches the reality TV stuff..... and he claims there is a downward spiral, that NOTHING IS BEING DONE ABOUT (honestly, this is the definition of delusional) And why?

Because a team he cheers for isn't winning all the games.
A team, that was last place almost 2 years ago, has switched out some bench players and like 1-2 staters.....isnt winning all the games. Are you fucking kidding me????? 33-16 yo, calm the fuck down and chave some Hot chocolate.

Maybe some of you guys need a bit of a reality check.


The Toronto raptors are a much improved, competitive NBA franchise. not likely a championship calibre squad yet, a few important pieces away, but still a team to compete in most games.


thats it folks.
no voodoo
no under achievement
no coaches that are operating on a level sub-internetforumnerdintellect
no uber stars under achieving
no budding superstar rookies


Just average to above, doing just about what they should be, night in and night out, and a coach getting just about what he should be out of these guys.


kthanks

[SamMitchells]

These are the types of comments that lately, have started to keep me away from this forum. I have started to ask myself if I have a problem, if, I am addicted to coming to a forum and reading posts and comments about a sport I know and love, that are so fucking ridiculous, so uneducated and wayward that it hurts.

I must be.

Because honestly, do some of you read what you post?? do you think to yourselves... "yeah, thats it, I'm sooo fucking right on this, WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE ELSE SEE THIS???"

Because honestly.... most of this expert analysis is bullshit. Or horseshit. Perhaps weasel shit or Raccoon shit, or those little nugget looking shits I see when I walk the dog.....I dunno. Just shit though.

Look at this post I have quoted. A dude. some regular dude, general pop, no Basketball experience really, watches games on TV, reads articles etc..... likely watches the reality TV stuff..... and he claims there is a downward spiral, that NOTHING IS BEING DONE ABOUT (honestly, this is the definition of delusional) And why?

Because a team he cheers for isn't winning all the games.
A team, that was last place almost 2 years ago, has switched out some bench players and like 1-2 staters.....isnt winning all the games. Are you fucking kidding me????? 33-16 yo, calm the fuck down and chave some Hot chocolate.

Maybe some of you guys need a bit of a reality check.


The Toronto raptors are a much improved, competitive NBA franchise. not likely a championship calibre squad yet, a few important pieces away, but still a team to compete in most games.


thats it folks.
no voodoo
no under achievement
no coaches that are operating on a level sub-internetforumnerdintellect
no uber stars under achieving
no budding superstar rookies


Just average to above, doing just about what they should be, night in and night out, and a coach getting just about what he should be out of these guys.


kthanks

Rational arguments vs emotions

#respecttherecord
#blindfan

Enjoy the craptors

[BrydenB]

These are the types of comments that lately, have started to keep me away from this forum. I have started to ask myself if I have a problem, if, I am addicted to coming to a forum and reading posts and comments about a sport I know and love, that are so fucking ridiculous, so uneducated and wayward that it hurts.

I must be.

Because honestly, do some of you read what you post?? do you think to yourselves... "yeah, thats it, I'm sooo fucking right on this, WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE ELSE SEE THIS???"

Because honestly.... most of this expert analysis is bullshit. Or horseshit. Perhaps weasel shit or Raccoon shit, or those little nugget looking shits I see when I walk the dog.....I dunno. Just shit though.

Look at this post I have quoted. A dude. some regular dude, general pop, no Basketball experience really, watches games on TV, reads articles etc..... likely watches the reality TV stuff..... and he claims there is a downward spiral, that NOTHING IS BEING DONE ABOUT (honestly, this is the definition of delusional) And why?

Because a team he cheers for isn't winning all the games.
A team, that was last place almost 2 years ago, has switched out some bench players and like 1-2 staters.....isnt winning all the games. Are you fucking kidding me????? 33-16 yo, calm the fuck down and chave some Hot chocolate.

Maybe some of you guys need a bit of a reality check.


The Toronto raptors are a much improved, competitive NBA franchise. not likely a championship calibre squad yet, a few important pieces away, but still a team to compete in most games.


thats it folks.
no voodoo
no under achievement
no coaches that are operating on a level sub-internetforumnerdintellect
no uber stars under achieving
no budding superstar rookies


Just average to above, doing just about what they should be, night in and night out, and a coach getting just about what he should be out of these guys.


kthanks

So basically... Don't put anything on the forums that doesn't agree with your narrative. Sweet insight to the topic

[CalgaryRapsFan]

These are the types of comments that lately, have started to keep me away from this forum. I have started to ask myself if I have a problem, if, I am addicted to coming to a forum and reading posts and comments about a sport I know and love, that are so fucking ridiculous, so uneducated and wayward that it hurts.

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Just average to above, doing just about what they should be, night in and night out, and a coach getting just about what he should be out of these guys.

One has to question whether or not you're even watching the games, if you can't see a difference the past two games between the 1st half Raptors and the 3rd quarter Raptors. The first half of the last two games has been unselfish, team-oriented ball, getting everybody involved. The 3rd quarter has been selfish, perimeter hero-ball to the extreme, with no accountability.

You don't have to be a HOF basketball coach to see the difference. Forum posters aren't the only ones noticing it or calling the team out for it. External basketball reporters, experts and insiders are bringing up the same points, many of which are former/HOF-caliber NBA players/coaches/GMs. Even the team's own biased announcers have been echoing the same sentiments as posters (ie: don't force shots, don't rely on 3pt shot, play inside-out, share the rock, etc...).

Posters on here called for Bargnani to be traded for years, arguing it would be addition by subtraction - they were eventually proven right. Same thing was called for with regards to Gay. Sometimes fans/posters have enough experience and/or knowledge to have a credible opinion, despite being on the outside looking in.

The bolded part is such hypocritical crap. In one breath you claim that idiot forum posters know nothing about basketball and should judge a coach. In the next breath, you ironically pass judgment in exactly the same way on the talent/potential/development of the players and the effectiveness of the coaching staff, except that it's of the opinion that suits your soapbox rant.

We'll know come the start of next season how MU truly feels about this roster and coaching staff and, ultimately, his is the only opinion/judgment that counts.

[Bendit]

I want to isolate this statement.

In my opinion we haven't improved our play offensively. What has happened during his tenure is the influx of talent. The team is much better constructed than it was 3 seasons ago, hence the better record.

Defensively, we have had a lockout shortened season and 2 months last season of solid defense. That's it. This is supposed to be the guy's bread and butter, so we should consistently be a top 10 team, regardless of circumstances.

And if I may add another reason... the quality of opposition in the east especially our Atlantic division where we hadn't lost a game until last night has reached toilet bowl levels.

[3inthekeon]

Why hasn't this idiot been fired yet?

[mcHAPPY]

These are the types of comments that lately, have started to keep me away from this forum. I have started to ask myself if I have a problem, if, I am addicted to coming to a forum and reading posts and comments about a sport I know and love, that are so fucking ridiculous, so uneducated and wayward that it hurts.

I must be.

Because honestly, do some of you read what you post?? do you think to yourselves... "yeah, thats it, I'm sooo fucking right on this, WHY DOESN'T EVERYONE ELSE SEE THIS???"

Because honestly.... most of this expert analysis is bullshit. Or horseshit. Perhaps weasel shit or Raccoon shit, or those little nugget looking shits I see when I walk the dog.....I dunno. Just shit though.

Look at this post I have quoted. A dude. some regular dude, general pop, no Basketball experience really, watches games on TV, reads articles etc..... likely watches the reality TV stuff..... and he claims there is a downward spiral, that NOTHING IS BEING DONE ABOUT (honestly, this is the definition of delusional) And why?

Because a team he cheers for isn't winning all the games.
A team, that was last place almost 2 years ago, has switched out some bench players and like 1-2 staters.....isnt winning all the games. Are you fucking kidding me????? 33-16 yo, calm the fuck down and chave some Hot chocolate.

Maybe some of you guys need a bit of a reality check.


The Toronto raptors are a much improved, competitive NBA franchise. not likely a championship calibre squad yet, a few important pieces away, but still a team to compete in most games.


thats it folks.
no voodoo
no under achievement
no coaches that are operating on a level sub-internetforumnerdintellect
no uber stars under achieving
no budding superstar rookies


Just average to above, doing just about what they should be, night in and night out, and a coach getting just about what he should be out of these guys.


kthanks

Just about all your preconceived notions above are false.

And Raps are 33-17 - but hey, great addition to the discussion.


But this is all coming from a guy who thinks JV is a stiff and a scrub.


Get off RR and go sell some cars, Craig.

[Superjudge]

JV is a stiff, he's so slow they can tuse him when it counts. He can't shoot a jumper past 3 feet, and he has a bad beard.


Stiff.

[mcHAPPY]

JV is a stiff, he's so slow they can tuse him when it counts. He can't shoot a jumper past 3 feet, and he has a bad beard.


Stiff.

LOL

You're a clown dude.

You come on all high and mighty tearing down others opinions.

GTFO.

If you hate it so much, quit reading the many different kinds of shit apparently found here.


"Craig, line 2. Craig, line 2." Go sell some cars.

[Cody73]

Okay..... I wanted to keep the guy on a short leash.

FIRE HIM NOW.

Please!

[stooley]

Any system that allows and encourages perimeter blow bys is ill suited for many more players than not. It isn't even about any one player - look at the stats, they are bottom third of league and near bottom of barrel for playoff teams.

Ironically enough my view is very much for the long term.

And weren't we lambasted at the start of the year with all the continuity talk? Casey is in his fourth year and the starting lineup has been together for 3 years. All that rock pounding and not even a scratch it appears.

Well I think the blow bys have a lot more to do with our players than the system. Is the system really designed to allow blow bys? If so, then I'm all over the fire Casey train.

And this really was the first year of Casey's tenure with any kind of stability. Every other season has seen a different starting lineup end the year than begin it (because of major trades).

It's the first time he's known at training camp - this is my team.

[cinqueda]

our record is terrible against +500 teams and now we're having trouble against -500 teams too, even if we do start winning until we play ball that doesn't rely on 3 people to get hot from 3 and make terrible shots and a defensive system that plays to our strengths not our weaknessess (that "usually fall for us") I'm going to be on board the #firecasey wagon, and if I could find out how much influence nurse has on the offence i might jump on him too.

[psrs1]

One has to question whether or not you're even watching the games, if you can't see a difference the past two games between the 1st half Raptors and the 3rd quarter Raptors. The first half of the last two games has been unselfish, team-oriented ball, getting everybody involved. The 3rd quarter has been selfish, perimeter hero-ball to the extreme, with no accountability.

You don't have to be a HOF basketball coach to see the difference. Forum posters aren't the only ones noticing it or calling the team out for it. External basketball reporters, experts and insiders are bringing up the same points, many of which are former/HOF-caliber NBA players/coaches/GMs. Even the team's own biased announcers have been echoing the same sentiments as posters (ie: don't force shots, don't rely on 3pt shot, play inside-out, share the rock, etc...).

Posters on here called for Bargnani to be traded for years, arguing it would be addition by subtraction - they were eventually proven right. Same thing was called for with regards to Gay. Sometimes fans/posters have enough experience and/or knowledge to have a credible opinion, despite being on the outside looking in.

The bolded part is such hypocritical crap. In one breath you claim that idiot forum posters know nothing about basketball and should judge a coach. In the next breath, you ironically pass judgment in exactly the same way on the talent/potential/development of the players and the effectiveness of the coaching staff, except that it's of the opinion that suits your soapbox rant.

We'll know come the start of next season how MU truly feels about this roster and coaching staff and, ultimately, his is the only opinion/judgment that counts.

Sometimes looking at things from the outside is exactly the perspective that is needed. Often on the inside there can be both personal and professional dynamics and relationships that can cloud one's view of what is really needed.

[stooley]

Just about all your preconceived notions above are false.

And Raps are 33-17 - but hey, great addition to the discussion.


But this is all coming from a guy who thinks JV is a stiff and a scrub.


Get off RR and go sell some cars, Craig.

I think Craig's in the right here - people are pointing to systems (mainly the offense) and saying, "this system is bad, stylistically." But if that supposedly bad style gets good results, is it really bad?

I'm seeing the same thing everyone on this board is re: the offense, the difference is, I'm acknowledging that IT WORKS.