#FireCasey

[Nilanka]

Memphis wasn't depleted, they had Conley, Gasol and ZBo

But they were missing 3 rotation players in Allen, Lee and Udrih.

Imagine how the Raptors would fare missing Lou, Vasquez and Ross.

[Superjudge]

Exactly.

Hei s a stepping stone.

You see this is what bugs me.

HOW can you say this, without having a modicum of knowledge or efficacy.

its frustrating. this dude would spin your head off in a debate. You don't even know what you're looking at... you just don't. So how th ehell can you comment on what people should be seeing??????

[3inthekeon]

Trade deadline about 2 weeks away.

MU knows what this team needs.

Might do something big, might do something small (that could still be big impact-wise).

[Nilanka]

You see this is what bugs me.

HOW can you say this, without having a modicum of knowledge or efficacy.

its frustrating. this dude would spin your head off in a debate. You don't even know what you're looking at... you just don't. So how th ehell can you comment on what people should be seeing??????

What mchappy is stating is clearly his opinion. Why are you interpreting it as fact?

[cinqueda]

but we're 33-17!! all is well!!

but look at who those wins are against, then look at how games against those same teams are going recently, I think, clips wizards and portland are the only teams we've played well against in the last two months. there's stuff about how everyone's tired, and lowry can use that excuse he had to carry a lot during the derozan injury, but for god's sake rest the man then. the rest don't have that excuse the season's a long one it always has been unsustainable basketball won't do us favours in the long run, don't get me wrong I'm proud that the record is so good, and it's not that I'm asking for more wins, I'm asking for more quality we all know we're not competing for a title this year, so why are we running guys into the ground so early, relying on gunners like lou who are not the future of this team. I want us to be developing towards later years not relying on a large number of streaky players to get hot.

[S.R.]

But there are inherent flaws even with those combos.

The most obvious of which is usually seeing us give up tons of offensive rebounds.

Another being that guys tire themselves out trying to keep it up for long stretches.

Another being that, quite frankly, it is just not that good a defensive system. Lots of risks being taken. And it's never measured out as all that impressive. The best year here it was ranked 10th. The championship year in Dallas it was ranked 8th. And before people talk about "but that's a top 10 defence!!", it was never really elite (top 5ish). That really doesn't scream impressive D to me. If you get effort in any kind of system defensively you'll probably be at worst middle of the pack. We're not getting consistent effort (mostly because of things like injuries and related fatigue, I think), and while they try to execute a system, it's one some guys are just not suited to (and not just Jonas, as it's not great for some of our perimeter guys either).

Dallas got it to 8th with Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, and Jason Kidd.

[white men can't jump]

Agreed.

It takes time for a big to develop. JV is 22 freakin years old. Problem is, people here wants JV to be the STAR OF THE TEAM immediately. That's what this is all about. He's the "golden boy" of this forum. You say something on the guy, people will call you a "hater" lmao.

And McHappy, eye test says he needs A LOT OF WORK defensively and offensively he needs to be stronger w/ the ball. Eye test also says he's a really good rebounder.

No, you just distort the issue. Most people know he can't be a star now, but just want the system to actually utilize him properly and be one he can grow in moving forward. But if by "golden boy" you mean this team's best shot at getting better without some wild move that will depend largely on circumstance and luck, then that's about bang on.

[Mediumcore]

Exactly.

Hei s a stepping stone.

Those were my words long before yours. But he's doing a great job of what he is here to do. That's why I don't understand why so many are calling for him to be fired. Is this team ready to contend. Do you see them to be on par talent or experience wise with the better teams in the league?

[CalgaryRapsFan]

Agreed.

It takes time for a big to develop. JV is 22 freakin years old. Problem is, people here wants JV to be the STAR OF THE TEAM immediately. That's what this is all about. He's the "golden boy" of this forum. You say something on the guy, people will call you a "hater" lmao.

And McHappy, eyes says he needs A LOT OF WORK defensively and offensively he needs to be stronger w/ the ball. Eye test also says he's a really good rebounder.

I think you're over exaggerating quite a bit. Most people just want JV to get more playing time and offensive opportunities that he seemingly has earned. Some people are suggesting the Raptors' offense should be more balanced or even more inside-out in nature, but I don't think I've read a single post suggesting JV should be option #1.

Your should probably get your eyes looked at. The past few games he's been racking up blocked shots, while causing countless more shots to be altered and missed.

There were also 2 plays in last night's game that I noticed, in a way that illustrate how far he's already come defensively. I believe both came in the second half.

1. Jack blew by Lowry (again) and was driving down the right side of the lane towards JV, who came out to cut him off and then jumped back (away from Jack) while using his length to turn an easy layup into a missed shot (without fouling)

2. After some confusion caused by rotations and hedging, JV directed (tapped his back and pointed at a different opposing player) Patterson to switch his coverage, which resulted in Patterson getting a turnover immediately after the switch


The suggestion of JV being a complete defensive liability is becoming as much a broken record as those calling for him to be more consistently/effectively utilized.

[Mediumcore]

Guys, we need to chill and stop insulting each other. A difference in opinion and perspective is what makes this forum a great place to share your thoughts.

[The Great One]

No, you just distort the issue. Most people know he can't be a star now, but just want the system to actually utilize him properly and be one he can grow in moving forward. But if by "golden boy" you mean this team's best shot at getting better without some wild move that will depend largely on circumstance and luck, then that's about bang on.

How would you utilize him "properly" then? more post up plays? PnR?

Jonas is doing just fine.

[mcHAPPY]

Those were my words long before yours. But he's doing a great job of what he is here to do. That's why I don't understand why so many are calling for him to be fired. Is this team ready to contend. Do you see them to be on par talent or experience wise with the better teams in the league?

I didn't realize they were your words. I am very sorry.

He has done a great job getting them this far given circumstances of last few years. Unfortunately he has reached his peak a little too early in my opinion.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

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Cheers!

[magoon]

Dallas got it to 8th with Tyson Chandler, Shawn Marion, and Jason Kidd.

Marion is an excellent defensive wing, but what really made that Dallas defense work was Chandler - he was the centerpiece of it, and he was also hard to duplicate: a mobile, speedy rim protector/rebounding center is simply not easy to find. Hell, Tyson Chandler ONLY TWO YEARS LATER wasn't 2011 Tyson Chandler.

The problem with Casey's defensive scheme is that he needs Jonas to be 2011 Chandler, and Jonas doesn't have the explosiveness and mobility that 2011 Chandler did. This isn't a knock on Jonas either because 2011 Chandler was an exceptionally rare sort of basketball player. Most centers aren't expected to be super-mobile, and if Jonas was in a more traditional defensive scheme I think we'd all consider him a beast: he's already a good rim protector and a strong rebounder, and he's getting better at both. He's just not a fast player, even as centers go - he probably tops out at average speed. But that's fine for him! He just needs defensive schemes that emphasize his strengths.

[Mr.Z]

But they were missing 3 rotation players in Allen, Lee and Udrih.

Imagine how the Raptors would fare missing Lou, Vasquez and Ross.

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