#FireCasey

[iblastoff]

Casey's obviously not stupid. He's a good basketball coach who has probably forgot more about basketball than most of us will ever know. But, he may have taken this team as far as he can. I don't think he's the coach to take us to the promised land, and the last couple of months the continuity rationale for keeping him on hasn't held up. For many games it looked like we'd regressed. For the sake of stability, I can understand Casey finishing the season... As long as we're not regressing, as long as he's not totally losing the dressing room. (I wonder if his treatment of JJ was unpopular with some players)

But I do believe we should be actively trying to recruit a better coach to take us to the next level. Casey's been around forever, he'll always find work in the nba as an assistant, but I think he's more suited to helping a team be competitive, as he did in Minnesota, than helping a competitive team be a contender or a contending team a champion.

casey DID help a contender win the championship.

[Superjudge]

So coaches do matter, but not in the ways that the media tries to sell us. It’s not about what book Phil gave Ron or the relationship Larry has with Allen. It’s not about the respect everyone has for Pop. It’s about who they put on the court.

This is from the article

bud.

honestly.

you kill me.

What top notch talent is Casey not playing?

Do we know what happened with JJ??? Because he was clearly benched.... but why?

In a season where toronto needs wins, its trying to win, is JV our guy don the stretch in the 4th when every single stat shows toronto to be a superior defensive team when he sits?

You can gripe all you wish, but in the end, Casey isn't failing this team. Its that simple.

[OldSkoolCool]

Superjudge I think you are having an argument with yourself.

I think we are all in agreement here that Casey has been a good coach in terms of being a likeable guy that the players trust.

We do however, have many complaints about his ability to coach the game of basketball. Player development, double standards, unwillingness to trust young players (and over-reliance on vets), X's and O's, substitution patterns, offensive scheme, defensive scheme, not having a defensive team despite being a defense first coach.

Stooley has a valid point, and maybe we don't put enough weight when considering whether he is a good or bad coach.

But it can't be the only argument. NBA level coach can't just be a good dude...he's gotta be a coach first, and a likelable guy second.

[tDotted]

casey DID help a contender win the championship.

not as a head coach.

[Superjudge]

We do however, have many complaints about his ability to coach the game of basketball. Player development, double standards, unwillingness to trust young players (and over-reliance on vets), X's and O's, substitution patterns, offensive scheme, defensive scheme, not having a defensive team despite being a defense first coach.

Heh, I see what you did there....er...oh wait, you're serious?

[OldSkoolCool]

Heh, I see what you did there....er...oh wait, you're serious?

[raptors999]

bud.

honestly.

you kill me.

What top notch talent is Casey not playing?

Do we know what happened with JJ??? Because he was clearly benched.... but why?

In a season where toronto needs wins, its trying to win, is JV our guy don the stretch in the 4th when every single stat shows toronto to be a superior defensive team when he sits?

You can gripe all you wish, but in the end, Casey isn't failing this team. Its that simple.

It isn't top notch talent. It's about not playing 2Pats at Center or loading up the perimeter with 5 shooters with ample time to cut a lead. Neglecting to put in a 7 ft Center when the only bad outcome on a free throw is an offensive rebound. Using a slow footed guard on a player, Evans or a skinny guard Lou, Wall when penetration is the only thing that needs to be prevented. Why did they take Steimsa just to bench him for a season. Why is Lou getting so many minutes? Why did Salmons or Anderson. It's how role players are over or underused not the main starters.

[MACK11]

Cowboys

[Dino4life]

casey DID help a contender win the championship.

As an assistant, and ironically that's his downfall. He thinks what worked with Nowitsky & Chandler will work anywhere. Ever since he's been here he has been inflexible, he thinks he should have one veteran who can shoot from anywhere on the court, but he never had one, from Bargnani to anderson to rudy gay to John salmons to Lou williams. And he thinks his center should just be a defensive beast who's offense is limited to put backs & lobs, but Valanciunas his the exact opposite of Tyson chandler.
The roster has changed, the managment has changed, but the coach hasn't and probably never will.

[iblastoff]

As an assistant, and ironically that's his downfall. He thinks what worked with Nowitsky & Chandler will work anywhere. Ever since he's been here he has been inflexible, he thinks he should have one veteran who can shoot from anywhere on the court, but he never had one, from Bargnani to anderson to rudy gay to John salmons to Lou williams. And he thinks his center should just be a defensive beast who's offense is limited to put backs & lobs, but Valanciunas his the exact opposite of Tyson chandler.
The roster has changed, the managment has changed, but the coach hasn't and probably never will.

first of all, i'm not defending casey in any way. i was clarifying that he was clearly part of the coaching staff of a championship team. obviously everyone here i'm sure knows he was an assistant.

secondly, to assume that all his coaching decisions are based on his short stint with dallas, compared to his decades of coaching experience is just weird. the main thing the dude has ALWAYS consistently said about JV is that hes young and not quite ready for prime time. not sure how anyone can disagree with that point. yes we would all love to see more of him in the 4th. yet last year, we were the top team in 4th quarters WITHOUT JV. so please explain that one.

as for the coach not changing? if thats the case, then wtf happened to our offense and defense? by your logic, that means whatever successful system we had last year should be just as successful if not more so this year, due to our increased roster talent. but for some reason it hasn't carried over. maybe its actually on the players?

what happened to ross? is it caseys fault that hes now absolutely terrible on defense? was it not casey that finally benched him and ross has slowly started re-emerging again? last year, nick nurse pretty much got all the credit for our offense. all of a sudden this year the offense has been looking like shit and its now directly caseys fault? come on.

[iblastoff]

As an assistant, and ironically that's his downfall. He thinks what worked with Nowitsky & Chandler will work anywhere. Ever since he's been here he has been inflexible, he thinks he should have one veteran who can shoot from anywhere on the court, but he never had one, from Bargnani to anderson to rudy gay to John salmons to Lou williams. And he thinks his center should just be a defensive beast who's offense is limited to put backs & lobs, but Valanciunas his the exact opposite of Tyson chandler.
The roster has changed, the managment has changed, but the coach hasn't and probably never will.

first of all, i'm not defending casey in any way. i was clarifying that he was clearly part of the coaching staff of a championship team. obviously everyone here i'm sure knows he was an assistant.

secondly, to assume that all his coaching decisions are based on his short stint with dallas, compared to his decades of coaching experience is just weird. the main thing the dude has ALWAYS consistently said about JV is that hes young and not quite ready for prime time. not sure how anyone can disagree with that point. yes we would all love to see more of him in the 4th. yet last year, we were the top team in 4th quarters WITHOUT JV. so please explain that one.

as for the coach not changing? if thats the case, then wtf happened to our offense and defense? by your logic, that means whatever successful system we had last year should be just as successful if not more so this year, due to our increased roster talent. but for some reason it hasn't carried over.

maybe its actually on the players? what happened to ross? is it caseys fault that hes now absolutely terrible on defense? was it not casey that finally benched him and ross has slowly started re-emerging again? last year, nick nurse pretty much got all the credit for our offense. all of a sudden this year the offense has been looking like shit and its now directly caseys fault? come on.

people are getting brutally sad here to the point of just turning people away because its not even fun to even post here anymore.

[big boi]

This is basically it with me for all coaches.

stats have shown, and I wish I could find the article, that only 3-4 coaches in the NBA have EVER had a significant impact on a franchise when they were hired. Those, happen to be 3 of the top guys in the NBA now, and some other dude. Its been something talked about for a long time in the NBA, where, coaches actually have very little to do with games once the ball is up in the air. The ones that ar most effective are the ones that do two things;

1. work well with management, within managements game plan as it pertains to personnel and budget.
2. manage egos, and keep the room.


I might Like Casey, and I might think every single person on this site second guessing him might be a little mistaken about what they think they know, but the moment he loses the room, or clashes with his boss.... he's likely gone because otherwise, why have him. Its easy to forget these are men, coaching MEN. Vets with egos and their own minds. Rookies and stiffs with small iq's but fat wallets. babysitting is a very, VERY tough thing to do, and guys that can do it are in short supply.

Some good points re managing egos. That's definitely a huge part of the job.

[Dino4life]

first of all, i'm not defending casey in any way. i was clarifying that he was clearly part of the coaching staff of a championship team. obviously everyone here i'm sure knows he was an assistant.

secondly, to assume that all his coaching decisions are based on his short stint with dallas, compared to his decades of coaching experience is just weird. the main thing the dude has ALWAYS consistently said about JV is that hes young and not quite ready for prime time. not sure how anyone can disagree with that point. yes we would all love to see more of him in the 4th. yet last year, we were the top team in 4th quarters WITHOUT JV. so please explain that one.

as for the coach not changing? if thats the case, then wtf happened to our offense and defense? by your logic, that means whatever successful system we had last year should be just as successful if not more so this year, due to our increased roster talent. but for some reason it hasn't carried over.

maybe its actually on the players? what happened to ross? is it caseys fault that hes now absolutely terrible on defense? was it not casey that finally benched him and ross has slowly started re-emerging again? last year, nick nurse pretty much got all the credit for our offense. all of a sudden this year the offense has been looking like shit and its now directly caseys fault? come on.

people are getting brutally sad here to the point of just turning people away because its not even fun to even post here anymore.

The bold makes no sense whatsoever.

Didn't say it was based on his stint in dallas, i said it worked in dallas, where he got it, only he knows.

Then you talk like we became shit this year compared to last year, we're where we were last year except we didn't start 6-12.

I don't remember Nick Nurse getting the credit, the players got the credit because after Rudy left, the ball started moving everyone was involved. Then Demar made the all-star game, he got a free pass, Greivis was taking wild shots but he made most of them, so now he has a free pass, Lou Williams the back to back milwake-cleveland where he made 7 end of quarter 3s in a row was fun i admit, but its february and i don't he's made one since, yet he's still allowed to dribble the ball for 20 seconds everytime. So basically the team is struggling and coincidently we're back to old habits, Demar moves the ball we win.

IT's on the players but it is casey's job to keep the guys in check not nick nurse, Nurse can't call a timeout, he can't sub-out a player.

JV very few people think he's Marc Gasol 2.0. But he's been young for 3 years, is punking Greg Steimsa in practice really gonna take him to the next level ? Kyle & Demar are the foundation we know that, doesn't mean you have to be all inside or all perimeter. The double standards is what gets to people, JV makes mistakes and gets punked sometimes obviously, but that same criteria doesn't apply to Casey favorites like Lou & Vazquez, and like i was mentioning that's been a pattern since he's been here. I was gonna forgive for the hell or high water thing, because i thought it came from colangelo, but Bargs & BC are both gone and the pattern stays the same. Plz explain the JV & JJ benching even when they play well the first 3 quarters ? Casey just has a premonition that they will fuck it up in the 4th ? its stubbornness.

People are getting sad, but please tell me, we were doing good at the beginning of the season, the league figured the team out, besides Ross the players are the same, What changes and adjustments have you seen Casey make ?

[raptors999]

A coach should have had some success anywhere as head coach before becoming an NBA HC. Whether it's college, d-league or Europe. Casey seems to have problem at the macro level, large decision issues that coaches iron out by being successful somewhere. Micro level X and O strategy some people never get, not everyone is Bobby Fischer but even leading a team far into an NIT tournament requires organization and a coherent game plan.

[psrs1]

As an assistant, and ironically that's his downfall. He thinks what worked with Nowitsky & Chandler will work anywhere. Ever since he's been here he has been inflexible, he thinks he should have one veteran who can shoot from anywhere on the court, but he never had one, from Bargnani to anderson to rudy gay to John salmons to Lou williams. And he thinks his center should just be a defensive beast who's offense is limited to put backs & lobs, but Valanciunas his the exact opposite of Tyson chandler.
The roster has changed, the managment has changed, but the coach hasn't and probably never will.

He used to compare AB to Dirk. What a joke.