#FireCasey

[Miekenstien]

But here's the thing that also scares me.



Were winning games with Casey's strategies. We're 7-3 against the top 12 in the NBA. We held it close against the best team in the league twice. And we've won games while down 2 starters.


Is it possible to consider this squad a contender after all, even with Casey's shenanigans? I think that it's Greer and Kalamian who are really having a good impact here. Casey made not be a great coach, but we have a good staff around him. Maybe Casey needs to trust in his assistant's more.

this conjecture assumes against casey doing things well already while pointing to a good record and giving reasons for it.

[Cody73]

this conjecture assumes against casey doing things well already while pointing to a good record and giving reasons for it.

Our style still makes me cringe. But you can't deny it's producing results.


I think Casey keeps lengthening that firing leash.

[Miekenstien]

Our style still makes me cringe. But you can't deny it's producing results.


I think Casey keeps lengthening that firing leash.

yes, i agree with the look of it. especially compared to some of the other teams.

[Wild-ling#1]

It's minute and usage. Lowry plays alot of hard minutes. Team behind and driving over and over into defenders.

Yup. All the other guys on the list are lazy loafers ....Curry and Westbrook hardly look awake half the time - embarrassing!

[OldSkoolCool]

It's quite obvious we can win the way we're playing right now.

But we've got three-quarters of a season to get guys back healthy, practice, make adjustments ... and maybe even add a "piece" (two?) at the trade deadline. (I think the better we're showing, the more reason Masai has to really try).

So how we're playing "right now" isn't even determinative. So maybe we should let it "breathe", eh Nostradamus?

You mean we will be able to get guys back and healthy only to run Lowry and Carroll into the ground by the time the playoffs rolls around right?

We're barely into December...

[Jangles]

Yup. All the other guys on the list are lazy loafers ....Curry and Westbrook hardly look awake half the time - embarrassing!

Did we forget about last years second half and playoffs Lowry? The fact that it's so recent should make us worry about Kyle being worked too hard in the first 2 months of the season.

[SkywalkerAC]

Are we now top 10 in both offense and defense?

[Axel]

Are we now top 10 in both offense and defense?

12th in DRtg - so no by that measure.

[CB4Champ]

casey is looking more and more like a mad man every time I look at how he is coaching the Raptor Squad...

Casey is Ridiculous!!!

Look at the stats for the Top 10 Pg's Minutes Credit WildLing for the data


1. Damian Lillard, PG- 36.7minutes
2. Brandon Knight - 36.2minutes
3. Kyle Lowry - 35.8minutes
4. Rajon Rondo - 35.3minutes
5. Eric Bledsoe - 35.3minutes
6. George Hill - 35.1,minutes
7. John Wall - 34.7,minutes
8. Stephen Curry 34.4minutes
9. Russell Westbrook, 34.2minutes
10 Kemba Walker 33.8mins

These Brothas should be mentioned also

Chris Paul 31.6minutes
Mike Conley 31.4minutes
Jeff Teague 30.3minutes
Goran Dragic 31minutes
Deron Williams33.4minutes




Lowry averaging higher Minutes then Derron Williams, Mike Conley, Goran Dragic, Jeff Teague,

Chris Paul....WOAH

Those guys are Legit/Serious Point Guards That Lowry is averaging Higher Minutes then , 4 MINUTES HIGHER THEN ALL BUT DERON!!!!

then You look at the top 10 and Lowry is 2 Minutes(woah) from 10th most minutes

Yet LOWRY ONLY .9!!! FROM REPPING THE MOST MINUTES OF ALL POINT GUARDS!!!

LOWRY CLOSER TO NUMBER ONE MINUTES FOR POINT GUARDS THEN OUTSIDE THE TOP 10 FOR MINUTES.

Listen Fam, 2 minutes separate 3rd from 10th...THATS HEAVY MINUTES.. shot clock is 24 seconds or 48 seconds for Both Teams..there is at least 6 reps(plays not) minimum available...That is at the minimum if both squads take 24 seconds to take a shot..yet most teams possibly take 12-14 seconds to take a shot...

So theres POSSIBLY 12 REPS(PLAYS NOT) that CAN HAPPEN INSIDE 2 MINUTES(WOW!!!)
NOT INCLUDING FREE THROWS ETC!!!

Yet Kyle is .9 seconds behind Number 1 minutes as Point Guard or less then 60 seconds from Most Minutes....

The coach casey seems to trying to force injuries on his reppers..

There is no excuse for the coach casey to have Lowry 3rd inside minutes of Point Guards when He has Cory Joseph As The BackUp!!!, Joseph's the BackUp Yet Casey still Wearing Out Lowry

hes teaching the Top guys to have an selfish, EGO, ISO Attitude, when These guys are some of the most Unselfish Reppers inside the Association. casey seems like hes trying to take Teamwork out of the Raptors...

Watch games and SEE THE GUYS JUST STANDING THERE STARING AT LOWRY AND DEMAR ISOLATION REPS

[CB4Champ]

Then You have DEMARRE CARROL AVG 34.2 MINUTES(WHAT!!!) A GAME WHEN HIS CAREER HIGH WAS 31.3 MINUTES LAST YEAR

What's Demarre Carrol doing Now.. HE INJURED!!!

CARROL, AVERAGING close to 3 MINUTES ABOVE HIS CAREER HIGH INSIDE MINUTES!!!

lets see how that ranks..

http://stats.nba.com/leaders/#!?Seas...atCategory=MIN


DEMARRE CARROLL IS TOP 30 INSIDE MINUTES FOR ALL REPPERS(PLAYERS NOT) OF THE ASSOCIATION!!!!

Whats Demarre Doing Now Fam, He Injured...He can't rep right now out for who knows how long!!!

that coach CASEY a DETRIMENT TO the TEAM, he's POSSIBLY TRYING to HURT REPPERS,

CASEY HURT THE MENTAL ASPECT OF TERRENCE ROSS...

CASEY SLOWED DOWN JONAS,

CASEY CONFUSES JAMES JOHNSON, SEEMS NO MATTER HOW JAMES REPS HE WON'T REP THE NEXT SEVERAL GAMES

REFUSED TO REP LUCAS NOGUEIRA, EVEN THOUGH RAPTORS ONLY HAD 2 BIG MEN CAUSE OF INJURIES...

HAS BRUNO CABOCLO THAT DOES NOT EVEN GET A CHANCE ON THE COURT(truss He should Be)

CASEY COACHING TO LOSE, YET THE RAPTOR SQUAD SO DEADLY, THAT THEY STILL WINNING.

SEEMS THAT CASEY ETC TRYING TO STOP RAPTORS, TORONTO ETC FROM WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!(think)

just remember that. Haters hate(think)

[Axel]

Below are the minutes for the top 10 starting PG's in minutes. Everyone in the top twenty plays at least 31 mins.

It sometimes sounds, here, though, as if Lowry's playing twice as much as other PG'S. Lowry's third, true, but only two minutes (5%-ish) more than the number 10 PG and still fairly similar minutes as everyone from 1-20

1. Damian Lillard, PG- 36.7
2. Brandon Knight - 36.2,
3. Kyle Lowry - 35.8,
4. Rajon Rondo - 35.3
5. Eric Bledsoe - 35.3
6. George Hill - 35.1
7. John Wall - 34.7
8. Stephen Curry 34.4
9. Russell Westbrook, 34.2
10 Kemba Walker 33.8

I wouldn't limit the discussion solely to PGs though and I would also consider the pure totals, as some guys are given (partial) nights off to rest (to help off-set their heavy minutes).

If we look at all players age 26 or higher who have played 23 games, Lowry is 4th in total minutes played at 823 (DD is 3rd at 836). For comparison's sake, Steph Curry (2 years younger than Lowry) has played 791 minutes in the same number of games.

Mike Conley is 1 year younger and has played 722 minutes in 23 games. A full 100 minutes less for a guy who's backups are Beno Udrih and Mario Chalmers. Considering we have CoJo and Delon Wright as good PG options, hard to justify such heavy workload to a guy who has proven (last year) to break down.

For guys age 28 or old, only LeBron logs more minutes per game than Lowry. Considering LeBron's physique, Lowry is getting more wear. Lowry is also averaging more minutes than last year.

At this time last year, Lowry was avg 22.9 PPG and 8.9 APG in 35 MPG. By Jan, in 36 MPG his numbers fell to 16.6 PPG and 6.8 APG and to 11.9 PPG and 5.3 APG in Feb in 32 MPG. He burnt out and never was able to regain his form. With the slimmer version, hopefully he can last longer, but it is dangerous for Casey to expect Nov/Dec Lowry to be available in March/April at his current rate.

[Snooch]

Ok so the solution to guys being worn down is to remove DD and wear down Lowry and Jonas further... makes sense.

Thats some bad generalizing of a post to try and make it seem bad

Non of what was posted would imply that lowry would need to he run harder.

And jv certainly can give more than what has been asked as he is grossly underutilized. With the exception of the first five games when team played grwat

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[golden]

I agree, killing guys early isn't too smart, but then, you need to win and your bench has been..... well, not great.

so what do you do?

GM needs to have grabbed a few more guys.... but how?

Ball-movement and playing inside-out sounds like the easy answer, but that's not Lowry and DD's game. Also Carroll & JV would be guys to help that, but they are injured. So hopefully that heavy load is just temporary.

But when they come back, Casey needs to spread the offensive load around to get the shooters clicking (as 1st options, from mis-direction & hockey assists... not only drive/kick 2nd options) and get JV more reps passing out of the post (ideally to cutters). We might lose a bunch of games adjusting to that type of style, but it's worth the investment to make a more dangerous team, IMO.

Counting on a pint-sized PG to make ridiculous shots against multiple defenders, and then expend energy defending the toughest position in the NBA doesn't seem like it can work long-term. CoJo is helping on the defensive side, so that's great. And who knows? Maybe Lowry can channel Iverson's MVP season. Fingers crossed.

[Snooch]

Ball-movement and playing inside-out sounds like the easy answer, but that's not Lowry and DD's game. Also Carroll & JV would be guys to help that, but they are injured. So hopefully that heavy load is just temporary.

But when they come back, Casey needs to spread the offensive load around to get the shooters clicking (as 1st options, from mis-direction & hockey assists... not only drive/kick 2nd options) and get JV more reps passing out of the post (ideally to cutters). We might lose a bunch of games adjusting to that type of style, but it's worth the investment to make a more dangerous team, IMO.

Counting on a pint-sized PG to make ridiculous shots against multiple defenders, and then expend energy defending the toughest position in the NBA doesn't seem like it can work long-term. CoJo is helping on the defensive side, so that's great. And who knows? Maybe Lowry can channel Iverson's MVP season. Fingers crossed.

Lowry can play the inside out game

Its not his natural instinct...but the skills are easily there

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[Axel]

Ball-movement and playing inside-out sounds like the easy answer, but that's not Lowry and DD's game. Also Carroll & JV would be guys to help that, but they are injured. So hopefully that heavy load is just temporary.

But when they come back, Casey needs to spread the offensive load around to get the shooters clicking (as 1st options, from mis-direction & hockey assists... not only drive/kick 2nd options) and get JV more reps passing out of the post (ideally to cutters). We might lose a bunch of games adjusting to that type of style, but it's worth the investment to make a more dangerous team, IMO.

Counting on a pint-sized PG to make ridiculous shots against multiple defenders, and then expend energy defending the toughest position in the NBA doesn't seem like it can work long-term. CoJo is helping on the defensive side, so that's great. And who knows? Maybe Lowry can channel Iverson's MVP season. Fingers crossed.

CoJo and Lowry are also logging heavy minutes together. So we have only 2 PGs in the rotation and they play together a fair bit. Using Delon Wright to spell Lowry makes a lot of sense since he could play next to CoJo while CoJo runs a PnR heavy unit with JV/Bebe/Scola. Wright offers size and defence (less of a liability) and would help bring him up to speed. Considering he was considered a more "NBA ready" prospect, the idea of burying him on the bench or in Mississaugua makes little sense when Lowry is taking on such a heavy role.