Everything DeMarre Carroll

[yabadabayolo]

http://www.tsn.ca/video/carroll-hope...layoffs~839148

for those of you that havent seen it yet !!

[JWash]

Seems like the organization had a legitimate process and plan and worked cohesively between management, coaching and training staff to set out a timetable for his return. So perhaps there is competency there and other things are being handled in a logical manner as well.

[DanH]

Seems like the organization had a legitimate process and plan and worked cohesively between management, coaching and training staff to set out a timetable for his return. So perhaps there is competency there and other things are being handled in a logical manner as well.

I have absolutely no issue with the approach taken the second time around - lots of rest, taking time coming back and easing up when even a small hiccup occurred. The first time around not so much...

[JWash]

I have absolutely no issue with the approach taken the second time around - lots of rest, taking time coming back and easing up when even a small hiccup occurred. The first time around not so much...

What first time around?

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[DanH]

What first time around?

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You don't recall? How he started the season playing way more minutes than he ever has before, missed time with PF (like a week...), came back and played career high minutes right away (again), then injured his knee from compensating for the PF (which was still there) and again missed time. Then was brought back, clearly still hurting, until he was finally shut down and had surgery.

I have no issues with the way they've approached it since the surgery. Prior to that it was a mess.

[JWash]

You don't recall? How he started the season playing way more minutes than he ever has before, missed time with PF (like a week...), came back and played career high minutes right away (again), then injured his knee from compensating for the PF (which was still there) and again missed time. Then was brought back, clearly still hurting, until he was finally shut down and had surgery.

I have no issues with the way they've approached it since the surgery. Prior to that it was a mess.

I don't see how it was a mess so much as bad luck?

[Just Is]

whose ever done an ice tub?
i did it for rugby ... never seen so much terror in people's eyes before they enter

I did it for the exact same sport.

I definitely was one of those terrified people before going in. I've done it a few times and that terrified feeling beforehand still didn't go away.

[DanH]

I don't see how it was a mess so much as bad luck?

You don't see how bringing him back when the PF was still bothering him, and playing him more minutes than he'd ever played in his career, and it leading to an entirely predictable injury because of that, is more than just bad luck?

[JWash]

You don't see how bringing him back when the PF was still bothering him, and playing him more minutes than he'd ever played in his career, and it leading to an entirely predictable injury because of that, is more than just bad luck?

No, I don't. They rested him and must've concurred with the medical staff that it was ok to have him out there playing. If they had some bad luck or that diagnosis proved to be off then that's unfortunate, doesn't mean that management is a mess.

[DanH]

No, I don't. They rested him and must've concurred with the medical staff that it was ok to have him out there playing. If they had some bad luck or that diagnosis proved to be off then that's unfortunate, doesn't mean that management is a mess.

No medical staff in the world would advocate for Carroll to return after one week of rest for PF.

And we have it from the horse's mouth that at some point this season prior to his surgery, Carroll was playing when Alex McKechnie wanted him held out of game action.

[KeonClark]

No medical staff in the world would advocate for Carroll to return after one week of rest for PF.

And we have it from the horse's mouth that at some point this season prior to his surgery, Carroll was playing when Alex McKechnie wanted him held out of game action.

I think it's become quite clear that the problem is McKechnie is not being given autonomy and the respect that his status in the industry should command. I imagine it goes something like this:

Alex: carroll/lowry/etc shouldn't play right now
Dwane: but CAN he play
Alex: well..yes, but rest really is the best medici-
Dwane: that's not what I asked you doc
Alex: *sigh*

[Axel]

Idk how that's clear. Sounds like guessing games to me. There's no reason for the coaching staff to ignore the medical team.

No reason, agreed, but that doesn't mean that aren't (with Lowry) or haven't already (with Carroll).

Some related words from Carroll

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/n...can-be-he-man/

DeMarre Carroll didn’t want to have surgery on the right knee that had been screaming at him for nearly two months; he didn’t even want to come out of the starting lineup. But when the Toronto Raptors forward went to see a specialist in New York earlier this month—while his team was in town to play the same Brooklyn Nets they beat 112-100 Monday night—he wasn’t given any other option.

“The doc came in and he described what it was and was like, ‘whenever you want to do it,’” Carroll says, remembering the day two weeks ago when he saw Dr. Richard Altcheck and was prescribed arthroscopic surgery. “He was kind of surprised that I hadn’t done it sooner.”

And so Carroll went under the knife later that day at the Hospital for Special Surgery on the Upper East Side to “clean some stuff up” in that right knee and hopefully relieve Carroll of the pain and discomfort that was making it nearly unbearable for him to do his job.

“I was playing with a lot of inflammation in my knee for a long period of time,” Carroll says. “I tried to fight through it. But not everybody can be He-Man.”

No, not everybody, but that didn’t stop Carroll from trying for nearly two months, ever since he landed awkwardly on his right leg during a game against the New Orleans Pelicans in mid-November and immediately felt something wrong in his knee. Many athletes would have gotten things taken care of right then and there, but the famously stubborn Carroll had just returned from a three-game break to rest nagging plantar fasciitis in his right foot and wasn’t about to take himself out of the game. So he simply turned up-court and got moving.

Team Doctors are not unbiased. Team Doctors make mistakes. Coaches, GMs, Players all make mistakes with regards to injury. When there is literally nothing to be gained by playing, regardless of the injury, he should be getting some rest.

[MixxAOR]

http://www.catapultsports.com/media/...ry-prevention/

From this article it's seems like Alex McKechnie is responsible for off the court regimen. How to effectively practice and etc.

Start with this fact: The Raptors have suffered the NBA’s fewest missed games due to injury this season. Under McKechnie’s watch, the Raptors have lost just 46 games due to health and a total of 826 minutes, according to InsiderKevin Pelton’s injury database. That’s almost 200 fewer minutes than the next-healthiest team, the Pacers.

The Raptors have enjoyed a successful season with players who by and large have remained healthy.

That's from 2 years ago

maybe I'm wrong but seems like his job is to increase on court minutes and minimize off court work.

[Mess]

No reason, agreed, but that doesn't mean that aren't (with Lowry) or haven't already (with Carroll).

Some related words from Carroll

http://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/n...can-be-he-man/

Why have I never read that before? ha. I haven't even seen it quoted previously.

[Axel]

Why have I never read that before? ha. I haven't even seen it quoted previously.

Only part I hadn't seen before was the He-Man reference, which just makes me like Carroll even more.

Doctors disagree frequently, and doctors on team/league payroll are certainly open to more scrutiny. The whole NFL-CTE issue really highlights this issue. I'd be curious to know what steps were taken to diagnose each of the player injuries this season.