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  • JamesNaismith
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    Just Is wrote: View Post
    I think, had the Raptors not been able to trade him, we too might have waived him and called up a 905er (Toupane).
    Thank God we were able to....PJ is a difference maker.

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  • Just Is
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    I think, had the Raptors not been able to trade him, we too might have waived him and called up a 905er (Toupane).

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  • lewro
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    My point was that the Ibaka at C option looked good, so if you are going to shrink anyone's minutes to fit that, you get rid of BeBe's, not JV's. It would still be silly to bench BeBe for Poeltl.

    I'm glad you appreciate the work. I did not present JV because I think it would be silly to pursue that avenue. Much like I did not present the options of letting Pat walk, letting Lowry walk, letting Ibaka walk, or trading DD for cap room either, all also silly options. Unless you are going to get upset that those options weren't presented as well, you are not mad about being manipulated, you are mad that my judgment calls do not align with yours. Which is fair. But I'm not in this for success - I write what I want the way I want, and if people like to read that, great, and if people want to disagree with that, great, but I'll be damned if I'm going to get my knickers twisted over pleasing every corner of this bi-polar fan base when I put the effort into writing a piece.
    Sounds like you're knickers are twisted too and the bi-polar comment is not cool - you're typically more composed than that.
    Obviously there are a plethora of options (like tanking) that are not realistic but we do have a list of usual suspects (JV, DMC, Pat and then the lesser contracts).
    Pat is a bit tricky bc we don't know his salary (which you covered) but case in point, my failure to criticize his outlook shows my bias too.
    I've suggested JV get 24 mins, which I think is healthy. I suggested yak cut into Bebe's mins which I don't think is "silly" bc yak played well vs Charlotte and bebe was shit vs Celts/recently. I don't think we should assume anything. I think yak should get a look and go from there. Casey gets fixated on rotations, which I get the consistency angle, but it's a rigid and less dynamic way of coaching/thinking imo. Like pulling JV after 6 mins in 1st qt last night and anointing bebe as next man up based largely on seniority. Best man up imo and yak is better.

    It was my false assumption that you contribute articles to raps hq based on aspirations of a career in journalism or some other field in the bball industry. It seems a common purpose among contributors to these blogs. Out of gratitude and encouragement, I try to offer feedback. Seeing as this doesn't apply to you, I will just post observations, if I feel inclined, going forward.
    However, I do think there is a difference between an opinion column and an overview article. Imo an overview is factual/accepted theory and impartial.

    "I'm glad you appreciate the work. I did not present JV because I think it would be silly to pursue that avenue."
    This is an honest response. It tells me that you care about your reader but more so about your own opinion. If, as you said, you're writing for yourself, that's fine. BUT, if that quote is true, then I don't think you'd care about our knickers or respond to us (which I'm glad that you do).

    In short, it may be "silly" to present the JV option but that's not my impression of the remarks made by ujiri. More than anything, he preached that the games have to be played and any analysis now is based on paper projections (gm 1 hadn't been played yet - same in your article). I totally agree with this point. Imo things are very fluid, plenty of games to be played. I also wish Casey shared this philosophy bc he also has pre-conceived notions which I think JV and yak (amongst others) suffer from as a result.

    P.S.
    "My point was that the Ibaka at C option looked good..." - this is past tense, he hadnt played when the article was published. Pre-conceived notion that turned out to be true!😋

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  • DanH
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    lewro wrote: View Post
    So now you think bebe looks out of place and want to bench him? Only took one game. Lol. We're not showcasing bebe, we just need him to hold his value from earlier in the season and focus on the players we are carrying into the playoffs and bringing back next yr.
    JV is likely not getting 29 mins as you said. 24 is what I'd like to see but doubt he gets it. I'd like 6 mins out of yak. See what he brings and go from there. Doubt that too.
    I wrote you a note on your latest rapshq column. Sorry that Mikey was being a jerk but he does have a point. If you are really a completist, you gotta paint the whole picture and that means considering jvs departure. The reader deserves the whole perspective and resents feeling manipulated.
    I mean this constructively. I appreciate the work.
    My point was that the Ibaka at C option looked good, so if you are going to shrink anyone's minutes to fit that, you get rid of BeBe's, not JV's. It would still be silly to bench BeBe for Poeltl.

    I'm glad you appreciate the work. I did not present JV because I think it would be silly to pursue that avenue. Much like I did not present the options of letting Pat walk, letting Lowry walk, letting Ibaka walk, or trading DD for cap room either, all also silly options. Unless you are going to get upset that those options weren't presented as well, you are not mad about being manipulated, you are mad that my judgment calls do not align with yours. Which is fair. But I'm not in this for success - I write what I want the way I want, and if people like to read that, great, and if people want to disagree with that, great, but I'll be damned if I'm going to get my knickers twisted over pleasing every corner of this bi-polar fan base when I put the effort into writing a piece.

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  • lewro
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    The most damage we could do to his trade value would be to bench him. He'll look much better in limited minutes beside Pat in a more stable rotation and will make fewer of those errors you allude to because he'll have that safety net and won't be asked to do as much.
    So now you think bebe looks out of place and want to bench him? Only took one game. Lol. We're not showcasing bebe, we just need him to hold his value from earlier in the season and focus on the players we are carrying into the playoffs and bringing back next yr.
    JV is likely not getting 29 mins as you said. 24 is what I'd like to see but doubt he gets it. I'd like 6 mins out of yak. See what he brings and go from there. Doubt that too.
    I wrote you a note on your latest rapshq column. Sorry that Mikey was being a jerk but he does have a point. If you are really a completist, you gotta paint the whole picture and that means considering jvs departure. The reader deserves the whole perspective and resents feeling manipulated.
    I mean this constructively. I appreciate the work.

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  • slaw
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    Raptorsnz wrote: View Post
    Goodbye Sullinger, we hardly knew you. He must have one of the worst win percentages in Raptors history for games he appeared in, we were like 1-9 when he played or something ridiculous.
    I kinda feel bad for Sullinger. He was hurt basically right out of the gate with one of the worst possible injuries for a guy who needed to stay in shape. Then he comes back to play during the worst stretch of Raptors basketball in 3 years. I still like the signing in the offseason and it's unfortunate it didn't work out.

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  • lewro
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    But Ross never sat or saw his minutes change much to get Powell minutes. Powell got chances when DD and/or Carroll were hurt or not playing back to backs. You can hardly compare Ross being a consistent part of the rotation right up to when he was traded to your suggestion of benching BeBe.
    I didn't suggest to bench bebe or Ross, then or now. I'm saying both guys have "empty" mins and hold back a better player. Casey sticks to his old school next man up. Should be best man up. Like I said, yak will struggle and have bad matchups so bebe will still get mins. For the purpose of trade, bebe just has to tread water now. Imo he's gonna get exposed in the playoffs and we should limit that. He's so soft and that's a tougher brand of ball. He's worn down and injury prone.

    Yak is far from ready for the role we need him to play in our future. His experience this yr has been a write off to this point. No steady role, no dleague. He needs to carry meaningful experience forward. Charlotte is a good example.
    Same with Bruno. He needs to see the bright lights a little before the summer. He needs to see that is expected of him going into the summer. Potentially moving DMC means having something viable and cheap behind him. Bruno needs to be a legit #3 SF/PF. That can be an empty roster spot next, too much $ tied up elsewhere.

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  • DanH
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    lewro wrote: View Post
    Yes, bc norm did play, proved he deserved the spot and we still got Ibaka. Part of the incentive of the trade is opening mins for norm bc he proved he deserved it. Your plan was to send norm to the dleague which was obviously not a good idea. Can you admit that now?
    Similar in this case, bebe has demonstrated his value and that won't dip if yak eats some mins. It's more important that yak gets high level experience heading into the summer bc we might rely on him next yr. And again, like norm, yak is the better player. We had this exact argument over norm/Ross.
    In reality, Casey likely chooses bebe, just like he did with ross. Guess you agree with Casey more than you think? ��
    But Ross never sat or saw his minutes change much to get Powell minutes. Powell got chances when DD and/or Carroll were hurt or not playing back to backs. You can hardly compare Ross being a consistent part of the rotation right up to when he was traded to your suggestion of benching BeBe.

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  • JamesNaismith
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    charlesnba23 wrote: View Post
    I dont get why PHX waive him?
    They're tanking and have young players at his position.

    Sully is obviously not a franchise changer but he could help them win games and they much rather have a shot at Lonzo Ball or Fultz than win a few meaningless games. Not to mention since they're not competing for anything rather give his minutes to continue to let Chriss and Bender work out some kinks and get used to the NBA.

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  • lewro
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Wait, your evidence that we should play Poeltl over BeBe is that we did the exact opposite in the Powell/Ross situation and got Ibaka out of it? Alright...
    Yes, bc norm did play, proved he deserved the spot and we still got Ibaka. Part of the incentive of the trade is opening mins for norm bc he proved he deserved it. Your plan was to send norm to the dleague which was obviously not a good idea. Can you admit that now?
    Similar in this case, bebe has demonstrated his value and that won't dip if yak eats some mins. It's more important that yak gets high level experience heading into the summer bc we might rely on him next yr. And again, like norm, yak is the better player. We had this exact argument over norm/Ross.
    In reality, Casey likely chooses bebe, just like he did with ross. Guess you agree with Casey more than you think? 😋

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  • DanH
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    Wait, your evidence that we should play Poeltl over BeBe is that we did the exact opposite in the Powell/Ross situation and got Ibaka out of it? Alright...

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  • lewro
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    The most damage we could do to his trade value would be to bench him. He'll look much better in limited minutes beside Pat in a more stable rotation and will make fewer of those errors you allude to because he'll have that safety net and won't be asked to do as much.
    I think his value would hold. If he plays a lot vs the big boys in the playoffs, I think his lack of toughness, frailty and immaturity will be exposed on a bigger stage.
    He looks better on paper. Like 3.5blks (?) but we know from watching he's not intimidating.
    I don't see him having a biz type finish to up his value bc biz is a man and bebe is boyish. Either way, he's a niche market so a team that needs his skills will trade. And he's cheap.
    Remember, you wanted to showcase Ross and hold back Powell. Ross regressed back to his mean as the season progressed. But, he still held value bc hes a specialist and that's what the magic wanted. Wouldn't have mattered if Powell took mins. Perhaps, Ross would have looked more effective, in less mins. I think I read that somewhere?
    Anyway, from what ive seen of bebe in previous yrs, hes already played as well as he is currently capable of playing. He's shown the league everything he's got.
    Beyond that, the modest return we get for bebe is outweighed greatly by the strides we need yak to make. That's a much greater impact to the team.

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  • JamesNaismith
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    Damn that's cold.

    If I was him I'd go start on the Nets and try to get some burn as a starter there for the rest of the season hopefully get to stat pad and get another 1yr contract to come back as a starter and then re-earn a larger contract if possible.

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  • charlesnba23
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    I dont get why PHX waive him?

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  • DanH
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    lewro wrote: View Post
    He's sulking and making stupid offensive fouls. He visibly hit a wall. playing out of position, fatigue and lacking focus. Maybe he just needs rest? Big spike in mins on a competitive team and he's shouldered more responsibility than expected or capable.

    Hes skinny. He's limited. He looked like a stats darling to start. Id rather hide him and maintain that image. He's a niche throw in with Cory or dmc. Not getting much value.

    Yaks gonna be better on our team but he needs to grow up quick. I say throw him in the fire, he'll be better for it. His body has been saved up this yr bc he didn't play 905.
    Yak or bebe 12mins/Ibaka 12/JV 24. Give or take 4-6mins
    Yak will have off days and some match ups will favor bebe. Ultimately, yak is better so he should play.
    The most damage we could do to his trade value would be to bench him. He'll look much better in limited minutes beside Pat in a more stable rotation and will make fewer of those errors you allude to because he'll have that safety net and won't be asked to do as much.

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