Everything VanVleet

[The Great One]

[planetmars]

This thread was deep in the bowels of Everything Raptors.. lol

Anyway Fred gets a shout out for All-defensive team from ESPN using player tracking stats:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...-teams-2021-22

However, a decade into the NBA's player-tracking revolution, that's slowly changing. Both Second Spectrum and the league itself have introduced an ensemble of important new defensive metrics.

The league's internal effort is making rapid progress by combining player tracking data with sophisticated algorithms that codify the principles of NBA defense (e.g. denying passing lanes or staying between the offensive player and the basket) and calculate a variety of measures using AI and machine-learning techniques to extract meaningful defensive insights and stats, including identifying offense-defense player-matchup responsibilities throughout every possession.

Using these new metrics gives us a clearer picture of which players should make up the NBA's All-Defensive teams, some of whom might come as a surprise to the average NBA fan.

Fred VanVleet

For decades NBA fans have been able to quickly find out which players lead the league in turnovers. This season, that honor belongs to Russell Westbrook, who has coughed up the ball 240 times.

But aside from steals, the NBA hasn't always tracked turnovers from the individual defensive side of things. Now it does.

The NBA stats department has begun keeping track of forced turnovers, which helps flag the defenders who cause the blunders that ruin possessions. This metric encompasses a lot more than just the traditional steals, which are convenient to tally but often don't paint the whole picture. Consider the example of VanVleet, whose defensive performances would go unappreciated without these newer and more comprehensive metrics.

According to the NBA's internal models, VanVleet is forcing a league-leading 3.0 turnovers per game this season, significantly higher than his 1.6 steals-per-game average. In fact, VanVleet is on pace to lead the league in forced turnovers for the third straight season.

For decades, we have leaned on steals as the best way to approximate this effect, but VanVleet's numbers this season show why that can be misleading. According to NBA estimates, of his 173 forced turnovers this season, only 34 were credited as a VanVleet steal -- 75 were credited as a steal by a different Raptor, and 64 were non-steal turnovers (out of bounds, violations, offensive fouls, etc.).

At 6-foot-1, VanVleet spends 30% of his time guarding the opposing ball handler, eighth most in the NBA. Despite his relatively slight size, he has an uncanny ability to blow up plays at the point of attack. He ranks second in the league in passes deflected at 3.9 per game, and a bunch of those tipped passes end up in the hands of a Raptors teammate who then gets credit for the steal.

VanVleet's unique ability to cause screwups helps explain why Toronto ranks first in the league in opponent turnover percentage, and second in the league in points scored off turnovers (19.2 points per 100 possessions).

It's been three years since VanVleet's defense on Stephen Curry in the 2019 NBA Finals helped the Raptors win their first title, and he has only gotten better since. Pound-for-pound it's hard to find a more impactful defender in the NBA than VanVleet, but he has yet to make an All-Defensive team. That could change this year.

[Rudy Bargnani]

This thread was deep in the bowels of Everything Raptors.. lol

Anyway Fred gets a shout out for All-defensive team from ESPN using player tracking stats:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/sto...-teams-2021-22

I read this and immediately came here for Golden’s reaction. Lol.

[The Great One]

FVV is clearly not healthy but I still trusts him to make the big shots. He really struggled the first 3 quarters but he hit a couple of clutch shots in the 4th. He's a big game player.

[KeonClark]

Is this paragraph talking about FVV in 2022, or Kyle Lowry from 2014-18? You decide:

He still does all the little things right, and helps the team. Defense is great, High IQ. Just could burn us that we're not getting his full shot making and offensive potential. He's clearly banged up, and has been ridden into the ground this year. If only we had the guy we had in December right now, we'd be unstoppable.

[golden]

I read this and immediately came here for Golden’s reaction. Lol.

lol. Sell high.

But c'mon, man. I think you're confusing me with Claw, grindhouse and few others. I've been very kind to Fred this year. He's the co-face of the franchise for the foreseeable future. But like chris said.... check-in with me when we max him out next off-season.

[chris]

oh i was actually trying to say that i think they'll purposefully avoid maxing him out, as this front office is very good about not giving out those crippling kind contracts to guys at that stage of their careers. i threw out 35 million ish out of a hat as an analogue for the 3 year 100 million deal lowry got in 2017, adjusting for 2023 salaries and the fact that FVV isn't as impactful as lowry was in 2017.

my point was that i think the front office will resign him to a deal that makes a few poster around here uncomfortable (with you specifically being one of them, lol), but that it will prove to be a good deal in short order, as most of the deals they sign turn out to be

edit - it was also not lost on me that a couple days after i made that post you were trading him to chicago. to be fair, i think even i would do that trade, and i love fred

[Dr Hannibal Lecter]

Fred should not be playing. If u watch last night game, he is not right and raptors were getting burned with him on the floor.
The thing that bothers me, he played 40 f^%% minutes, wtf..
Management better step in and say enough, this all on Freddy..it's selfish.
Trust your teammates, everyone loves your heart, enough.
I'm 100 percent sure he needs surgery and he doesn't want 2 do it, bc he will out for long period time and will miss the playoffs.

[RaptorsVictim]

What is exactly Fred's injury ?

[Gonzz]

What is exactly Fred's injury ?

They are calling it knee soreness. Not very specific.

[Primer]

Until we clinch 6 seed or better we can't rest anyone unless they legit can't play. Our 2 remaining back to backs have Orlando and Houston on the back end so could potentially rest him for those but I woundn't count on it.

[RaptorsVictim]

They are calling it knee soreness. Not very specific.

That is great, as it only means he needs some rest.

[gambler]

That is great, as it only means he needs some rest.

its been 7 weeks or a knee bruise...last year embiid appeared to have suffered a worse bruise...sat for four weeks and when he came back appeared to not miss a beat....tehn dominated the playoffs with a slight tear in his minisucus....teh raptors have to secure the 6th so thy can give fvv a one week rest during the play-ins...that is how valuable flynn is rihgt now

[gambler]

Fred should not be playing. If u watch last night game, he is not right and raptors were getting burned with him on the floor.
The thing that bothers me, he played 40 f^%% minutes, wtf..
Management better step in and say enough, this all on Freddy..it's selfish.
Trust your teammates, everyone loves your heart, enough.
I'm 100 percent sure he needs surgery and he doesn't want 2 do it, bc he will out for long period time and will miss the playoffs.

agreed...but there is no surgery for a bone bruise...and during teh west coast trip tehy wnt to see another specialist in LA....and it was confirmed again...no structural damage.....the game against teh celtics was horrible....getting burned up by shit smart and pritchard is embarrasing on any level...teh celtics went righgt after him and so will every playoff team as hes a liability....and he played ok agasint garland....who is like 2 levels above shit smart....7 weeks now....for a fukn bone bruise.....

http://instreetclothes.com/2021/03/1...one-contusion/

[KeonClark]

Fred should not be playing. If u watch last night game, he is not right and raptors were getting burned with him on the floor.
The thing that bothers me, he played 40 f^%% minutes, wtf..
Management better step in and say enough, this all on Freddy..it's selfish.
Trust your teammates, everyone loves your heart, enough.
I'm 100 percent sure he needs surgery and he doesn't want 2 do it, bc he will out for long period time and will miss the playoffs.

If you think Fred being on the court is actively hurting the team, then you don't know basketball.