Everything Nick Nurse

[Primer]

Both are impossible realities though. It's not chess. The team with the better players always wins. That's the point me and MixxAOR are making. The coach is usually irrelevant. It's about the talent.

Once again completely false. The most talented team does not always win. If that was true you should be a billionaire from sports betting, because you could get every game right.

Were the Mavs more talented than the big 3 Heat?

[MixxAOR]

Like even with D'antoni. Suns, Knicks and Rockets those teams were all different

[Primer]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...perstar-player

Don't start sounding like this guys.

No one has said the coach is more important than the players. Though I see why you'd love to shift the argument to that.

The argument is whether coaching matters or not.

[golden]

Yet teams with the best players still win some how.

How many rings do Jokic, Westbrook, Rose, Nash & Harden have? What about perennial candidates like Luka and Embiid. The MVP should win the chip every year, by your logic... right?

[Primer]

Dude no. They find coaches that would match the roster. Roster precedes everything. We know what team you build around Lebron. Lebron as pg and shooters around him. Like it doesn't matter what coach it'll be.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Why would they hire a coach based on the roster when coaching doesn't matter?

Just hire any coach it doesn't matter right?

[golden]

No one has said the coach is more important than the players. Though I see why you'd love to shift the argument to that.

The argument is whether coaching matters or not.

Yeah, Mixx and PM are just the taking the argument to silly extremes now to try to win a point for the debating team. Our work is done.

[MixxAOR]

No one has said the coach is more important than the players. Though I see why you'd love to shift the argument to that.

The argument is whether coaching matters or not.

No dude. This whole thing started with Udoka for Nurse rumors. What are you on? It's all relative. I'm not arguing to get rid of coaches. I'm saying it won't affect the final result

[planetmars]

For development.
Casuals care about winning. Management too.
But real fans can stomach a bit of down years for the sake of a right development.

Development is decided by management not coaching. Scottie for example is still getting over 35 minutes a game as a starter. The Raptors organization wants to feature him and so the coach is.

If you want real development look at the front office, not the head coach. He has to play Fred and Pascal and OG because they get paid the most. He has to play Scottie because the organization wants to pump him up. They have to play Poeltl since they gave up stuff for him at the deadline. It's why WIll fricken Barton gets minutes because we promised those to him when we signed him as a buyout.

It's the NBA. He's doing what he has to do.

[MixxAOR]

Yeah, Mixx and PM are just the taking the argument to silly extremes now to try to win a point for the debating team. Our work is done.

You started it with your Nets comparison. Stop it

[MixxAOR]

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Why would they hire a coach based on the roster when coaching doesn't matter?

Just hire any coach it doesn't matter right?

Isn't that what ends up happening anyway. They hire whoever after Thibs and after D'Antoni

[planetmars]

How many rings do Jokic, Westbrook, Rose, Nash & Harden have? What about perennial candidates like Luka and Embiid. The MVP should win the chip every year, by your logic... right?

There are still factors. It's not a one person sport. It's a team game. Each star player still needs guys to make it easier on them to succeed. But rarely is it the coach that puts them over the top. It's the collective team. Ie, the roster, or the talent.

Also Rose got hurt. Nash got body checked into a scorer's table and a fight broke out suspending guys. Embiid is always hurt or his teammates sucked. Luka's teammates aren't very good. Harden stopped scoring in important clutch games. Westbrook got his trophy from stat padding. Jokic's best teammates got hurt. None of that is on coaching.

[Kagemusha]

Development is decided by management not coaching. Scottie for example is still getting over 35 minutes a game as a starter. The Raptors organization wants to feature him and so the coach is.

If you want real development look at the front office, not the head coach. He has to play Fred and Pascal and OG because they get paid the most. He has to play Scottie because the organization wants to pump him up. They have to play Poeltl since they gave up stuff for him at the deadline. It's why WIll fricken Barton gets minutes because we promised those to him when we signed him as a buyout.

It's the NBA. He's doing what he has to do.

Nick is playing his main guys heavy minutes not because of how much they get paid but because he believes running them to the ground gives the team the best chance at a W.
Managament is all about the $$$, and that means winning. Thad is making more than Scottie and Precious yet he is way down in the pecking order. Why. Because Scottie and Precious plays better. Nick's style is all about winning. That's why he refuses to play the young guys and their development suffers as a result.

[planetmars]

Once again completely false. The most talented team does not always win. If that was true you should be a billionaire from sports betting, because you could get every game right.

Were the Mavs more talented than the big 3 Heat?

How do you define "most"? Mavs were definitely more talented than the Heat.. especially since Lebron had his worst series ever that year.

If there are a handful of teams that have similar rosters and stars on them, then it will be a random team that wins.. and the coach won't decide the series ultimately. Otherwise guys like Vogel or Rivers wouldn't have rings.

[planetmars]

I think Nick is playing them heavy minutes not because of how much they get paid but because he believes running them to the ground gives the team the best chance at a W.
Managament is all about the $$$, and that means winning. Thad is making more than Scottie and Precious yet he is way down in the pecking order. Why. Because Scottie and Precious plays better. Nick's style is all about winning. That's why he refuses to play the young guys and their development suffers as a result.

Scottie and Precious are on rookie scale contracts. That's why they make less. They are getting more minutes than Thad. Scottie is starting every game. Management wants to win and develop but ultimately they are not contenders so both are needed.

So what is Udoka going to do that Nurse isn't? Play Scottie more than he is now? He's already playing a lot.

Bench Fred? That's not happening if he's back no matter who the coach is. Masai wouldn't allow it.. not since he's going to command about 25% of the cap or more. Otherwise it would be easier to just not bring him back.

[planetmars]

Anyway.. I had fun. But I'm done with this debate again for the time being.