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  • Superjudge
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    G__Deane wrote: View Post
    He didn't ask to be traded here.
    He played his azz off for us.
    We won the chip.
    That can't be taken away from us.
    You couldn't ask for anything more really.
    Forever grateful....

    But it not only reinforces but cements the notion that truly elite FA won't choose or stay in Toronto.
    Weather really is a negative here if you don't have the pedigree of the Celtics, Bulls or even the NY area.
    Look, I wanted the Raps to chase Durant before he went to Golden State but there was no chance.
    I wanted them to pursue The Brow and bring him TO but there really was no chance.
    I want them to land Giannis in 2021 but realistically, if the Masai magic didn't work with Kawhi, there is no chance.

    Giannis is likely similar to most other NBA players at this time. They want another superstar or two to team up with. And unless Siakam morphs into that other superstar, I just don't see it and without a superstar, this team is out in the 2nd round imo, treadmill team, whatever.

    So my hot take is that if we could blow it up and trade Kyle, Serge and Gasol for up and coming talent and high picks, I'd do it. But realistically, you're not getting much in return for them and MLSE will want to milk the goodwill from last seaosn into more $$$ this year and finish 2-5 in the division.

    So thank you Kawhi for all you did, never forget you man. But the Raps franchise is actually set back a step in terms of FA attraction going forward; if he wouldn't stay after all this, who would? And unfortunately, the ring ceremony will ring a bit hollow now.

    Hot take over for now.
    Pretty good post really. (except for the "grateful" part)

    If I'm honest, if I were the GM of the Raptors, I'd have made the same gamble move to get Kawhi Leonard, ya kinda had to. But the reality remained, if you couldn't retain that guy, you were gonna be sent back to the stone ages as a franchise.

    Winter was coming alright, and trust me, it might not be pretty in Toronto.

    As for Leonard. I don't hate the guy, but I never actually liked him to start He was stand offish, very me first, and his load management bothered me when his teammates were grinding themselves for 82 games. All through the playoffs, and at the celebrations, every interview he was careful to speak only about himself, as a separate entity from the rest of the team, which, if you were paying attention closely, already foreshadowed what he planned to do.

    I had hoped the Raptors could retain the guy, he's a good player, but I am not surprised, and I don't miss him as much as some others..... in fact, I think he owes Toronto a fuck of a lot more than that franchise "owes" him. They brought him in and fed him a ring. The Toronto franchise was the #1 seed or close for the last 5 years. They were close, and Kawhi wasn't the only addition the put them over the top, heck, Derozan + Gasol+green+New Siakam + Van VleetX5 exp points could likely have been just as good. In reality, Kawhi might not win next year, and if he doesn't, than Toronto looks a lot better to the naked eye than they do now. The media will create narratives, but the reality remains, Toronto is a top 3 Playoff performer over the last 6 years or so, thats cold fact, thats numbers and stats. Toronto isn't a shitty destination, nor is it a shitty franchise.

    The Raps are a premier franchise, in a premier location.
    Personally, I have been an athlete, albeit only University level, but good enough to understand what it is to be a competitor, and a teammate. If a player left my team to go "win" he was dead to me. Kawhi leaving to go where its best to "win", by stacking the fuck out of a team, by leaving a team, and 12 other guys who carried the load for him all year and then fed him a ring.....you know where he WON..... yeah, THAT part is why he's dead to me. It ain't personal, I just don't like his way of doing things, he's a prima donna really. And the way it will play in the media will hurt my favourite teams reputation, no matter how bogus that narrative actually is.

    NBA got what it wanted however.... all the stars are in LA, with all the media, with all the Hollywood bullshit. If you ask me, the NBA is officially dead, it's jumped the Shark as a Sports franchise. I think I might even find a bookie to bet cash this year to prove it as I can likely predict games all year long based upon the week, or months current narratives.

    Anyhow, have a happy summer peeps.

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  • KHD
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    lol oh well.

    thanks for the championship.

    hope he has zero success in LA.

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  • G__Deane
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    There goes our Christmas game....likely to the Clippers

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  • saints91
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    Thank you for the championship! He ultimately wanted to go home.

    Sad to see Green go too

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  • saints91
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    No one knew anything. Can’t listen to the 24 hours news cycle. Not one of them.

    Its too too bad he’s gone but at least it was the clippers. I would have been pissed if it was the Lakers.

    Hopefully we we get to see some fun movement over the summer. Let’s go Raptors!

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  • G__Deane
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    Also, so much for all the "insiders" saying it was down to the Lakers and Raptors in the last few days; he was just waiting on the Clippers to land Paul George. Jalen Rose looks the worst of all. The wait screwed the Lakers but it kept us from making potential moves as well.

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  • dylan123
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    RaptorsVictim wrote: View Post
    Just write this down, those players are not running after titles or loyality, it is all about money. I am totally satisfied that we did not fall in Kawhi trap. Congratulation Massai and this is time to build around Siakam.
    On the other hand, thanks Kawhi, we can not ask you for more than you did.
    Money and Kawhi trap?

    so you're suggesting we didn't offer him max given we could give him the best deal possible and offering him the max would have been a trap?

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  • G__Deane
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    JimiCliff wrote: View Post
    This hurts, and leaving for LA was the weak choice, but we knew what we were getting into.

    Can't wait to watch Masai respond. Can't wait to watch this team play next year - they'll have the biggest chip on their shoulders in sports history.
    Kinda disagree. I can see Kyle, Gasol and Serge not giving max effort for some reason. They ran on adrenaline and that just signed in LA

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  • G__Deane
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    He didn't ask to be traded here.
    He played his azz off for us.
    We won the chip.
    That can't be taken away from us.
    You couldn't ask for anything more really.
    Forever grateful....

    But it not only reinforces but cements the notion that truly elite FA won't choose or stay in Toronto.
    Weather really is a negative here if you don't have the pedigree of the Celtics, Bulls or even the NY area.
    Look, I wanted the Raps to chase Durant before he went to Golden State but there was no chance.
    I wanted them to pursue The Brow and bring him TO but there really was no chance.
    I want them to land Giannis in 2021 but realistically, if the Masai magic didn't work with Kawhi, there is no chance.

    Giannis is likely similar to most other NBA players at this time. They want another superstar or two to team up with. And unless Siakam morphs into that other superstar, I just don't see it and without a superstar, this team is out in the 2nd round imo, treadmill team, whatever.

    So my hot take is that if we could blow it up and trade Kyle, Serge and Gasol for up and coming talent and high picks, I'd do it. But realistically, you're not getting much in return for them and MLSE will want to milk the goodwill from last seaosn into more $$$ this year and finish 2-5 in the division.

    So thank you Kawhi for all you did, never forget you man. But the Raps franchise is actually set back a step in terms of FA attraction going forward; if he wouldn't stay after all this, who would? And unfortunately, the ring ceremony will ring a bit hollow now.

    Hot take over for now.

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  • LJ2
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    I guess though all that talk of trust being the reason he left the Spurs can now be shut down. He wanted to go home to LA and forced his way out.

    Excited to see what the Raptors do next.

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  • grindhouse
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    Kawhi gets bad advice okc just took there future and their best trade piece. Wasn’t Paul injuries in the playoffs last year?

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  • JimiCliff
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    This hurts, and leaving for LA was the weak choice, but we knew what we were getting into.

    Can't wait to watch Masai respond. Can't wait to watch this team play next year - they'll have the biggest chip on their shoulders in sports history.

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  • suspenders
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    It’s disappointing but it’s alright. He didn’t owe us anything at all.

    He came here against his will, won us a championship, and then went home.

    Thank you Kawhi.

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  • G__Deane
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    I just found out and now can't sleep. And I want to sleep....
    Feels like crap and I'm in the grief phase before the thankful stage. Super glad it wasn't LA but still feels like crap.
    *hides all sharp things in the house*

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  • RaptorsVictim
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    Just write this down, those players are not running after titles or loyality, it is all about money. I am totally satisfied that we did not fall in Kawhi trap. Congratulation Massai and this is time to build around Siakam.
    On the other hand, thanks Kawhi, we can not ask you for more than you did.

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