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  • Barolt wrote: View Post
    Well, if you want to talk about running off screens though, DeMar isn't good in those situations. His eFG% off screens is less than 40%, and he draws fouls less than 7% of the time. It's not an effective use of him as a player. He's simply better with the ball in his hands than off-ball.
    Well, first off, that gets you into the murky waters regarding how exactly those shooting stats on those plays are being counted. What do they consider a shot off of a screen? Strictly a pull up catch and shoot? A catch and a one dribble drive? What if he snakes the screener and hit an open step back shot? (which happens a lot) How is that accounted for in the stats? He is effective with the ball in his hands but it's not like he's bringing it up the court himself. He gets open for a pass somehow.

    And secondly, the threat of him being in motion isn't 100% for him to score. It forces the D to stay close to him to create more space for the other players (which is what the author was getting at). When Lowry was on Zach Lowe's podcast he asked him about a specific play where Kyle cut hard across two screens and Butler leaned towards the passing lane and gave DD an opening for a drive (if my memory is correct). It's pretty much what the article states DD can do on offense.
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    • Barolt wrote: View Post
      Did you read the post you quoted? Among players playing 35+ minutes per game, he ranks 12th out of 19.
      12th out of 19th in speed not distance covered.

      You do realize that if he's covering more distance at a lower average speed, then that means he is spending more total time in motion right?

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      • JWash wrote: View Post
        12th out of 19th in speed not distance covered.

        You do realize that if he's covering more distance at a lower average speed, then that means he is likely spending more total time moving right?
        Speed is calculated as distance travelled/time spent. This is how it works in any physics calculation.
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        • JWash wrote: View Post
          12th out of 19th in speed not distance covered.

          You do realize that if he's covering more distance at a lower average speed, then that means he is spending more total time in motion right?
          Speed = Dist/ Time

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          • Barolt wrote: View Post
            Do you understand how speed is calculated? The basic function of speed is distance travelled/time spent. So speed is absolutely relevant to distance, it's the normalized version of the same stat. This is physics 101.
            Are we not speaking about the distance travelled on offense per game? You brought speed into the argument.




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            • raptors999 wrote: View Post
              Speed = Dist/ Time
              But is the argument about speed or distance?

              Maybe I'm just a dummy. lol


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              • Barolt wrote: View Post
                Speed is calculated as distance travelled/time spent. This is how it works in any physics calculation.
                Exactly......... Although it's not that simple because there's acceleration and deceleration on a court, but for argument's sake let's pretend it is.

                If speed is equal to distance travelled/time.

                Then that means time is proportional to distance/speed. So if someone is covering MORE DISTANCE, but moving at a LOWER SPEED. What does that do to the ratio? It increases it, meaning that DeRozan is spending MORE TIME in motion, meaning that he is in more constant motion than the players he's being compared to.

                Done.

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                • special1 wrote: View Post
                  But is the argument about speed or distance?

                  Maybe I'm just a dummy. lol


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                  It's the same stat. Distance is the non-normalized version of speed. When you take the distance stat, and normalize it against the number of minutes played, you get speed. If I drive for 30 minutes at 50km/hr, and you drive for an hour at 25km/hr, we end up travelling the same distance.
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                  • JWash wrote: View Post
                    Exactly......... Although it's not that simple because there's acceleration and deceleration on a court, but for argument's sake let's pretend it is.

                    If speed is equal to distance travelled/time.

                    Then that means time is proportional to distance/speed. So if someone is covering MORE DISTANCE, but moving at a LOWER SPEED. What does that do to the ratio? It increases it, meaning that DeRozan is spending MORE TIME in motion, meaning that he is in more constant motion than the players he's being compared to.

                    Done.
                    Except, among players playing more than 35 minutes per game, he ranks 12th out of 19 players in speed. Meaning the biggest factor in generating the distance stat that ranks him 3rd is minutes played, where he ranks 7th in the league.
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                    • JWash wrote: View Post
                      Exactly......... Although it's not that simple because there's acceleration and deceleration on a court, but for argument's sake let's pretend it is.

                      If speed is equal to distance travelled/time.

                      Then that means time is proportional to distance/speed. So if someone is covering MORE DISTANCE, but moving at a LOWER SPEED. What does that do to the ratio? It increases it, meaning that DeRozan is spending MORE TIME in motion, meaning that he is in more constant motion than the players he's being compared to.

                      Done.
                      not really. if he runs 10mph for 1 hour, then stands still for 1 hour, his average speed is 5 mph.

                      but a guy running 5 mph for 2 hours is more in "constant motion" than him.

                      but that's a different issue.
                      Last edited by KHD; Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:51 PM.

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                      • JWash wrote: View Post
                        Exactly......... Although it's not that simple because there's acceleration and deceleration on a court, but for argument's sake let's pretend it is.

                        If speed is equal to distance travelled/time.

                        Then that means time is proportional to distance/speed. So if someone is covering MORE DISTANCE, but moving at a LOWER SPEED. What does that do to the ratio? It increases it, meaning that DeRozan is spending MORE TIME in motion, meaning that he is in more constant motion than the players he's being compared to.

                        Done.
                        think they incorporate acceleration into speed calculation, more acceleration = greater speed since they dont track millisecto ms

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                        • The fact that DeRozan is moving at a slower speed means that he is actually in more constant motion (we don't have acceleration data so it's really hard to incorporate that), however....

                          Example:

                          Bob and Jill go outside to the soccer pitch for an hour. Bob jogs 10km, Jill sprints 5km. Yes Jill moved faster than Bob, but Bob obviously spent more time running..........

                          If you're talking about a player being in constant motion, what's actually most relevant is the time spent moving on the court. And if someone is covering more distance at a slower speed... then guess what they are spending more total time moving....

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                          • KHD wrote: View Post
                            not really. if he runs 10mph for 1 hour, then stands still for 1 hour, his average speed is 5 mph.

                            but a guy running 4 mph for 2 hours is more in "constant motion" than him.

                            but that's a different issue.
                            Yes it is a different issue so it's not relevant here.

                            What you described is a case where Player A is covering more distance AND has a higher average speed than Player B. We're talking about DeRozan covering more distance and having a lower average speed than the players he's being compared to.

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                            • JWash wrote: View Post
                              The fact that DeRozan is moving at a slower speed means that he is actually in more constant motion (we don't have acceleration data so it's really hard to incorporate that), however....

                              Example:

                              Bob and Jill go outside to the soccer pitch for an hour. Bob jogs 10km, Jill sprints 5km. Yes Jill moved faster than Bob, but Bob obviously spent more time running..........

                              If you're talking about a player being in constant motion, what's actually most relevant is the time spent moving on the court. And if someone is covering more distance at a slower speed... then guess what they are spending more total time moving....
                              In the scenario you proposed, Bob would have an average speed of 10km/hour, Jill would have an average speed of 5km/hour. His average speed would be higher.
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                              • JWash wrote: View Post
                                Yes it is a different issue so it's not relevant here.

                                What you described is a case where Player A is covering more distance AND has a higher average speed than Player B. We're talking about DeRozan covering more distance and having a lower average speed than the players he's being compared to.
                                yeah, typo.

                                i fixed it.

                                the guy running at 5 mph for 2 hours is travelling the same distance, same average speed, but is in more constant motion than the guy who runs 10mph for 1 hour and stands for 1 hour.

                                like i said, it's a different issue.

                                anyways, synergy should probably just tell us how many minutes a guy stands still vs. moving.

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