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  • KeonClark
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    Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post
    I have no doubt the team could still win 50 games without DeMar.

    We will get nowhere in the playoffs still though. Without high-end, superstar talent, we are not ever going to win shit.

    Rebuild, tank and go get some. Any other move barring trading for one is a terrible fucking idea.
    It's. Not. Fucking. Happening.

    This is Just like your bench jv posts all over again. We understand your opinion. You can make 1001 posts saying the same thing but ujiri and the raptors are doing something different. Guarantee

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  • JawsGT
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    psrs1 wrote: View Post
    He may be on prescription drugs to deal with his depression and the stress of his ailing father.
    Thank you. The dude was dealing with some major issues in his life. He clearly wasn't the Demar from the first half of the season since possibly just before the all-star break. Dealing with a breakup and ill family makes it difficult to go to work every day and give 110%. I'm not gonna cry if he gets traded, although I think it unlikely, yet I can understand the difficulty of rising to the occasion given the stuff he was dealing with in his personal life. Ain't nobody out there gonna overcome playing LBJ if they are suffering from depression.

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  • psrs1
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    DeMar was so bad against Cleveland yesterday.. I mean how often do you hear of a coaching benching your "best" player in a critical game of the playoffs.. and not because of injury but because of how he's playing? It never happens.. like in any sport. I've never seen it happen. DeMar wasn't just off his game.. he wasn't participating.

    And this is now the second time this has happened.

    It's like DeMar took the exact same drugs that Ibaka took before Game 2.
    He may be on prescription drugs to deal with his depression and the stress of his ailing father.

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  • planetmars
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    You can't give DeMar away but you also have to look at what similar guys got and use those as barometers.


    Jimmy Butler + 16th pick was traded for Lavine, Dunn and the 7th pick. Butler had 2 years left on his contract.

    Blake Griffin was traded for Avery (expiring), Harris, Marjonovic and a 2018 pick (top 4 protected). Blake had 4.5 years on his contract left.

    Kyrie Iriving was traded for Thomas (expiring), Crowder, Zizic and Brooklyn's 2018 pick (estimated to be top 5, currently at #8). Irving had 2 years left on his contract. ** Irving asked to be traded.

    Paul George was traded for Oladipo, Sabonis. George had one year left on his contract.


    DeMar has 2 years left on his deal. So the selling price seems to be 2 young guys (or 1 young guy and an expiring) plus a lottery pick.

    So the market really is a pick and a 'playable player'. Just make sure that playable player is young and has room for growth. Like Oladipo or Lavine/Dunn.

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  • Abbas
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    slaw wrote: View Post
    I'll be stunned if they trade Derozan unless it's a blockbuster type deal. Trading him for a pick and a 'playable player' would be unfathomable.
    It would be worse than the VC trade. Bigger embarrassment than getting swept. If DeRozan is traded we need to and will (judging by Masai's track record) get major value back.

    Plus I think our young guys can win 30 games even with the absence of Derozan, Lowry, and Ibaka, therefore, tanking will be harder then it seems. We need to see what LeBron does in free agency, if he's goes to the west, we should go after PG or something.

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  • slaw
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    S.R. wrote: View Post
    I think Masai at least makes some calls about moving DeMar. Can you move him + get a pick back + not take a big step back as a team (get a playable player in return)? That would be ideal.
    I'll be stunned if they trade Derozan unless it's a blockbuster type deal. Trading him for a pick and a 'playable player' would be unfathomable.

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  • Mindlessness
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    Joey wrote: View Post
    I guess my question is do people think Demar is on par with Blake Griffin, in terms of trade value?

    Because I'm pretty sure the Clippers took the last and only available offer that looked anywhere close to "Pick + Useable asset".
    That seems to be partly a Jerry West type thing. I remember Lowe saying something along those lines.

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  • Other Scott
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    Joey wrote: View Post
    I guess my question is do people think Demar is on par with Blake Griffin, in terms of trade value?

    Because I'm pretty sure the Clippers took the last and only available offer that looked anywhere close to "Pick + Useable asset".
    He has more trade value. At this point they're similar level players, but Blake had already started declining plus has more money for more years.

    EDIT: And Blake is more injury prone.
    Last edited by Other Scott; Tue May 8, 2018, 04:41 PM.

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  • planetmars
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    If the goal is a championship than we need to tank and work on a long term strategy to beat GSW. For example.. hope to hell we can land Giannis when his contract is up.. and see what we can do to get a second star to play with him.

    But the real goal in my opinion is to figure out a damn way to beat a Lebron James team. And I don't believe you need a super star to make that happen. Just the right mix of players and coaches with the right mental attitude. DeMar, Serge and Casey are definitely not the right type of guys to beat this team.

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  • Nilanka
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    Joey wrote: View Post
    I guess my question is do people think Demar is on par with Blake Griffin, in terms of trade value?

    Because I'm pretty sure the Clippers took the last and only available offer that looked anywhere close to "Pick + Useable asset".
    That would mean waiting until the trade deadline, and hope to take advantage of a self-described "playoff team" who is desperate to move up in the standings, following 4 months of uninspiring performances.

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  • Joey
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    I guess my question is do people think Demar is on par with Blake Griffin, in terms of trade value?

    Because I'm pretty sure the Clippers took the last and only available offer that looked anywhere close to "Pick + Useable asset".

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  • MixxAOR
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    Lowry can be such a bitch though. If season doesn't go well I can see him having a meltdown without Demar.

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  • Other Scott
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    I definitely think you can get off Lowry without trading a pick. You won't get value back at all, but you can trade him without attaching stuff to it. >40% high volume 3 point shooters who can run an offense and play good defense don't grow on trees.

    Ibaka you don't need to trade to tank. He can become Orlando Serge Ibaka pretty easily.

    I'm not advocating tanking at all I'm just saying that Serge and Lowry aren't what's in your way of that.

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  • S.R.
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    This team can't tank. They have too much quality depth. The young pieces that give us hope for the future would limit this team's floor at like 35 wins. Never mind that they likely can't get off Lowry or Ibaka's deals without trading picks, which kind of defeats the point.

    If there is a rebuild decision point, it comes at earliest next summer, not this summer. Next summer Ibaka and Lowry may have value, potentially in a deal to absorb a bad contract and get picks in the process.

    For now, you see what you can do over the next year while maintaining flexibility and seeing what you have in the rest of your pieces. That, in my mind, means moving DeMar (who is most likely on the team to get you a lotto pick in return) and getting a new coach. Unless you double down on this core and bring them all back. I'm leaning to the former.
    I think Masai at least makes some calls about moving DeMar. Can you move him + get a pick back + not take a big step back as a team (get a playable player in return)? That would be ideal.

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  • MixxAOR
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    I like our depth but at the same time...we lost FVV for a bit there and bench went to shit...so don't resign FVV and maybe tank is possible

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