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  • JawsGT
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    I like the transition 3's from Lowry. A lot of fans didn't want him taking them when he first started doing it like 3 seasons ago. And then he turned into one of the best off the bounce/transition shooters in the game. It's an integral part of our offence and one of the reasons Lowry is difficult to guard.

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  • S.R.
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    I don't mind the transition 3's, but sure "shot and score" decision making should probably apply.

    Waiting for your rebounders also means waiting for the D to set up. There's a lot of value in attacking before the D is set up. Lowry's shots in particular look like they keep the D off balance. The predictability of the Raps' previous offence was always a problem.

    And like Dan said - a lot of guys take these shots now, this isn't just Lowry. The Curry Effect.

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  • white men can't jump
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    3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    Not saying he hasn't had instances or even stretches of questionable decision making, but what I'm saying is that it's very questionable that transition 3's qualify as questionable decision making when they are being made at a decent %.
    They are when you compound it with other bad decisions. It's ok if those are often the bulk of his questionable decisions, but not when you add some bad passes and shot selection in as well.

    At his best, that is usually the case...he doesn't try to force too many bad plays but is still compelled to take a quick 3 now and then. He hasn't been at his best lately. And I don't think he's struggled as badly this season as some do, but after his bruised ass he understandably struggled a bit, and now again he has in some recent games.

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  • KeonClark
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    white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    It's not like it's the only area of questionable decision making from Lowry recently.

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    Yeah, he thought this would be funny and/or cool






    Lol @ Derozan he's not even gonna throw a sympathy smile out there for Kyle to grab like a lifeboat while he drowns in cringe

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  • 3inthekeon
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    Not saying he hasn't had instances or even stretches of questionable decision making, but what I'm saying is that it's very questionable that transition 3's qualify as questionable decision making when they are being made at a decent %.

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  • white men can't jump
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    3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    I'd like to see some actual numbers rather than anecdotes of what happens after a transition 3 miss, but the fact is teams are taking more and more of them each year. Only about 20 players took 2 per game 2 years ago, this year there's over 35 players. Even at Lowry's 37% on transition 3's, thats 1.11 pts/possession with little chance of it getting blocked or a turnover.
    It's not like it's the only area of questionable decision making from Lowry recently.

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  • 3inthekeon
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    I'd like to see some actual numbers rather than anecdotes of what happens after a transition 3 miss, but the fact is teams are taking more and more of them each year. Only about 20 players took 2 per game 2 years ago, this year there's over 35 players. Even at Lowry's 37% on transition 3's, thats 1.11 pts/possession with little chance of it getting blocked or a turnover.

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  • planetmars
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    I don't mind that pull up crazy 3 attempt from Lowry. It won't go in half the time, but when it does it kills the other team's spirit. If it doesn't the other team might go on a bit of a run, but our defense is more than capable of shutting that down again. I like the risk in it.

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  • white men can't jump
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Yeah, if only Lowry would stop taking pull-up threes, which he only hits at 38%, and only take catch and shoot threes, which he hits at a very-different-from-that-last-number 40%.

    I'd like it if he timed them better with JV rolling for the offensive board, but those are not bad shots, guys. And they can be absolute back breakers for the opposing defence.
    They can also break our own backs as we get caught flat footed in transition if he misses. He takes them so early, with the D already back and set but our guys still getting into position on O. We get caught badly if he misses and before our guys can react, the other team is already on the fast break with numbers. And very frustrating when he does them and we have a small, unsafe lead. It's one thing when we're up 15 pts, and another if it's just a 5-6 pt lead.

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  • white men can't jump
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    3inthekeon wrote: View Post
    I must have seen a totally different game yesterday. I thought Lowry's decision making and shot selection were terrific.
    Yesterday may have been his best game in terms of decision making out of the last few. But too many things like bad shots and bad passes recently. Seems to be forcing things when he really doesn't have to far too often.

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  • KHD
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Yeah, if only Lowry would stop taking pull-up threes, which he only hits at 38%, and only take catch and shoot threes, which he hits at a very-different-from-that-last-number 40%.

    I'd like it if he timed them better with JV rolling for the offensive board, but those are not bad shots, guys. And they can be absolute back breakers for the opposing defence.


    I don't mind Lowry taking 3s. But you know perfectly well what type of shot I'm talking about.

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  • DanH
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    KHD wrote: View Post
    used to be you could live with the dumb pullup 3s when he was driving and scoring. but he has (IMO) regressed at his driving game and also, to be fair, isn't getting as many opportunities to do it. So now it feels like every 2nd shot he takes is a contested pullup jumpshit from 3. Very irritating.
    Yeah, if only Lowry would stop taking pull-up threes, which he only hits at 38%, and only take catch and shoot threes, which he hits at a very-different-from-that-last-number 40%.

    I'd like it if he timed them better with JV rolling for the offensive board, but those are not bad shots, guys. And they can be absolute back breakers for the opposing defence.

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  • DanH
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    KHD wrote: View Post
    I'd prefer JV as the clear 2nd option when they're on the floor together, though. Lowry's offensive game, shot selection in particular, is not impressing me much this year.
    I was lazy responding there, I can actually look this up.

    When JV, DD and KL share the floor:

    DD: 16.3 FGA/36, 26 USG%
    JV: 14.1 FGA/36, 22 USG%
    KL: 13.0 FGA/36, 21 USG%

    (For reference, Ibaka is at 13.1 FGA/36, 19 USG%)

    When DD and KL share the floor without JV:

    DD: 19.5 FGA/36, 31 USG%
    KL: 15.6 FGA/36, 24 USG%

    (For reference, Ibaka is at 14.5 FGA/36, 20 USG%)

    So JV does look like the clear cut 2nd option (Lowry's usage% is inflated by some playmaking-driven turnovers), with Lowry and Ibaka operating as release valves for the starting unit. Then without JV the stars have to carry more of the load, with Ibaka taking on a bigger role as well, which inflates their overall usage. Never mind the extra usage they get when playing individually with bench units.

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  • LJ2
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    Nilanka wrote: View Post
    Not sure if Jonas has surpassed Lowry in the pecking order, but I'd say he's a legit #3 now.

    EDIT: I don't think 'showcasing' is something top teams do. To showcase, means to artificially increase a player's trade value. To do so, means giving a player extra opportunities that he would otherwise not receive under normal circumstances, knowing that it may hurt the team in the process. This does not sound like anything the Warriors, Spurs, Rockets (or Raptors) would do.
    We've hit a new level for a regular season team and part of that might be because of how bad the East (as predicted) has been, but I can't say this team is a contender or in the same tier as the Warriors, Spurs or Rockets just yet. I still maintain that talent trumps everything in this league and playoffs is when that comes to light. Beating up on weak teams does feel nice though

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  • 3inthekeon
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    white men can't jump wrote: View Post
    It feels especially bad the last few games. Just awful decision making in general.

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    I must have seen a totally different game yesterday. I thought Lowry's decision making and shot selection were terrific.

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