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[Uncle_Si]

I suspect it is more wanting him to be a quick C than a 4.

But this is a very good sign. Hopefully he can keep the muscle he put on while slimming down the extra mass - strong enough to post up and quick enough to PnR and defend it, while possessing a jumper? Hoo boy.

I was talking about this in another thread. Sometimes guys that put on a lot of weight too quickly and lose their athleticism. Everyone was happy to say JV added 30lbs of muscle which is great, but that's like running around with a 30lb weight vest on.

It takes time to get used to playing with the added weight and to find your ideal size. (Something Amir talked about in an interview a couple years ago).

Hopefully we see JV get some of that athleticism back that he had when he first came in the league.

[Puffer]

...I believe it's hard to gain weight and to balance it. To balance it in a way that he could have enough strength to defend centers and score at the low post against them while at the same time have good quickness and mobility. I think it takes time, although these changes should've happened a year ago....Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

JV really just needs incremental improvements and some perimeter defense that means he doesn't have to guard two players at once. If he can improve his lateral speed by 3-5%, he would be able to get in front of guys that he was just a split second late for last season. Same thing with hedging towards the 3 pt line. If he can close out on more mobile big's enough to give them pause or force a pass to someone who is still being covered by one of the Raptors new defensive minded players, the teams "D" will significantly improve.

The game of basketball at the NBA level is a game of fractions of a second and fractions of an inch.

[Snooch]

OMG.

This has to stop.

Its professional sports, its the nba. Jonas was not made to get fat. He is a center, he needs to be strong, and he needs to be big. Thats his job. He was scrawny when he came in. It absolutely is wrong, and basically stupid for people argue this. Look at almost every single NBA player, ever in the last 20 years that has gone on to be anything but a piner.... look at their body when they came in, and then what it was in their prime.

Every single player.

JV was asked to get in fucking shape. Thats it.

ARRRRGH!

JV was told to put on size.

Now he is being told to get in shape.

You cannot get bigger and leaner at the same time.

You cannot grow both muscles and athletic ability.

one or the other.

[stooley]

I still don't understand why Jonas was made to beef up after being drafted. This obsession that some NBA teams/fans have with forcing 19 and 20 year old boys to put on weight and muscle is ridiculous. These guys, for the most part, will naturally fill out as they age. Instead of being patient with Jonas, we fucked his physical development up. One of his main advantages was the fact that he was a 7-footer that wasn't a lumbering oaf (like most 7-foot human beings).

I'm fine with Jonas being stronger and knowing how to play big. And I'm fine with what they're doing now, and I think it was done in the right order. There's going to be an adaptation period after bulking up either way.

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[DanH]

I'm fine with Jonas being stronger and knowing how to play big. And I'm fine with what they're doing now, and I think it was done in the right order. There's going to be an adaptation period after bulking up either way.

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100% agreed. I think this was probably always the plan - get big enough to play C, then learn how to play WITH that bulk so you can play C well.

[DanH]

Wolstat tweeting that Raps want to get extensions done with Ross and JV both this summer.

[raptors999]

Wolstat tweeting that Raps want to get extensions done with Ross and JV both this summer.

All the retarded Max deals has Raps worried

[Henry_Chinaski]

Wolstat tweeting that Raps want to get extensions done with Ross and JV both this summer.

Ross as well? How much do you think he can get? Also, JV is probalby going to want a lot of money using Kanter's contract as an example.

[Heatdreamer]

Wolstat tweeting that Raps want to get extensions done with Ross and JV both this summer.

TRoss 4/26 million and JV -4/60

[DanH]

Ross as well? How much do you think he can get? Also, JV is probalby going to want a lot of money using Kanter's contract as an example.

If JV signs for Kanter's deal the Raps probably count themselves lucky.

Ross hopefully will be in the 5M range, but it's tough to say what the negotiations will be like. Might end up closer to 8M, which would be a big gamble considering his drop off in play. I think if it were that number I would risk RFA.

[mcHAPPY]

If JV signs for Kanter's deal the Raps probably count themselves lucky.

Ross hopefully will be in the 5M range, but it's tough to say what the negotiations will be like. Might end up closer to 8M, which would be a big gamble considering his drop off in play. I think if it were that number I would risk RFA.

Wouldn't give Ross anymore than his cap hold.

JV should get $16m.

In the new NBA that is a good deal for a legit starting C.

[golden]

I'm fine with Jonas being stronger and knowing how to play big. And I'm fine with what they're doing now, and I think it was done in the right order. There's going to be an adaptation period after bulking up either way.

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There was a nice article on Justise Winslow talking about getting stronger while maintaining flexibility & quickness, without gaining un-productive bulk. JV definitely looks slower & stiffer compared to when he entered the league and has lost something for sure. I fear that Bruno could be heading down the same path and he wasn't really that quick to begin with.

http://www.si.com/edge/2015/06/23/nb...nslow-training

His body is as versatile as his game, a product of not only how hard he has worked, but also of how smart he has worked. During middle and high school, his workouts were focused on repetitions instead of weight. Today, Winslow says that keeping his technique fundamentally sound and building a strong base of muscle has been the secret to his development.
“Early on, I was asked to do a lot for my teams. In high school, I built a foundation of strength and muscle not by lifting the heaviest weights, but by focusing on doing more reps at lighter weights. It’s about how strong I am as opposed to how big I look,” Winslow says.

He also puts an emphasis on core, hip mobility and rotation, yoga, and deep-tissue massages to keep his muscles flexible and lean, but powerful and strong.

[Henry_Chinaski]

If JV signs for Kanter's deal the Raps probably count themselves lucky.

Ross hopefully will be in the 5M range, but it's tough to say what the negotiations will be like. Might end up closer to 8M, which would be a big gamble considering his drop off in play. I think if it were that number I would risk RFA.

Yes... I don't think that signing Ross this summer is a good move. Unless they get him cheap or they believe that he's going to become a decent player coming of the bench with good shooting and defense. But after 14/15 season...

[raptors999]

Yes... I don't think that signing Ross this summer is a good move. Unless they get him cheap or they believe that he's going to become a decent player coming of the bench with good shooting and defense. But after 14/15 season...

They could be anticipating Demars free agency.

[stooley]

There was a nice article on Justise Winslow talking about getting stronger while maintaining flexibility & quickness, without gaining un-productive bulk. JV definitely looks slower & stiffer compared to when he entered the league and has lost something for sure. I fear that Bruno could be heading down the same path and he wasn't really that quick to begin with.

http://www.si.com/edge/2015/06/23/nb...nslow-training

well he did have the benefit of starting that in high school. it's a slower process

with the nba schedule, you really only have the offseason to train full time