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  • Snooch wrote: View Post
    Why?

    Who all do you rank ahead of him in terms of two way production?

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    Gasol
    Howard
    Cousins
    Anthony Davis
    Drummond
    Monroe
    Jordan
    #JaysWinningLikeItz93'

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    • JWash wrote: View Post
      Dude... top 3 bigman IS an exaggeration.

      It's slightly possible he could be in the East, but in the west you have so many bigs who are and will be better Gasol, Dwight, Blake, Aldridge, Anthony Davis, Cousins, etc, that barring some kind of monumental increase in both JV's role and production next year there is no way he will be a top 3 big in the league.
      Blake, anthony, aldridge are pfs

      Drummond is not a better 2 way player than jv.

      Monroe is a pf

      Deandre is poor offensively...very poor, if it wasnt for paul there wouldbt be much to jis game offensively.

      So between you and jwash you have named 2 centers.

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      Last edited by Snooch; Fri Aug 21st, 2015, 06:54 PM.

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      • rightsideup wrote: View Post
        I really hope there is a plan for Jonas to reach his potential with the cap going up his contract is not out of wack and is also tradable. Have a good season Jonas!!!
        You hope there's a plan? No, Masai just went and gifted him 64million just because. So ridiculous.
        Sunny ways my friends, sunny ways
        Because its 2015

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        • Snooch wrote: View Post
          Blake, anthony, aldridge are pfs

          Drummond is not a better 2 way player than jv.

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          I didn't even mention Drummond.

          To me a big man is a PF or a C, but even if you're only looking at centers the point still stands.

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          • JWash wrote: View Post
            I didn't even mention Drummond.

            To me a big man is a PF or a C, but even if you're only looking at centers the point still stands.
            A couple of guys are complete liabilities at the FT line with no post game - Howard, Jordan, Drummond and rely on a competent guy to throw it above the rim. Without CP3 and Harden they aren't offensive players. Don't think JV is better than Howard or Jordan but they have flaws. 7 ft true centers with a post game and good FT% that can rebound and protect the rim are valuable. That is Duncan, Gasol territory

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            • Snooch wrote: View Post
              Blake, anthony, aldridge are pfs

              Drummond is not a better 2 way player than jv.

              Monroe is a pf

              Deandre is poor offensively...very poor, if it wasnt for paul there wouldbt be much to jis game offensively.

              So between you and jwash you have named 2 centers.

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              I thought it was big men, which would refer to PFs and Cs.

              But even if it was only Cs.
              Gasol
              Howard
              Cousins
              Horford
              Duncan
              are better than him on both sides of the ball.

              Monroe (who will certainly play as C for the Bucks - and bball-ref says he played 60% of his minutes at C last year)
              Jordan
              Gobert
              Jefferson
              Chandler
              Bogut
              Gortat
              Mozgov
              Whiteside are all better on at least one side of the ball and in some cases, even equal on the other side.

              This excludes all PFs. Because if we're involving PFs in a "Top 3 Big Men" discussion, then Jonas won't even get the light of day.


              I can see Jonas becoming a top 3 big man someday, but I don't believe that is realistic for next year, give it a couple years.

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              • JWash wrote: View Post
                I didn't even mention Drummond.

                To me a big man is a PF or a C, but even if you're only looking at centers the point still stands.
                would you play jonas at pf?

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                • Snooch wrote: View Post
                  would you play jonas at pf?
                  ffs
                  We make mistakes. That's why they put erasers on pencils.

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                  • Mindlessness wrote: View Post
                    I thought it was big men, which would refer to PFs and Cs.

                    But even if it was only Cs.
                    Gasol
                    Howard
                    Cousins
                    Horford
                    Duncan
                    are better than him on both sides of the ball.

                    Monroe (who will certainly play as C for the Bucks - and bball-ref says he played 60% of his minutes at C last year)
                    Jordan
                    Gobert
                    Jefferson
                    Chandler
                    Bogut
                    Gortat
                    Mozgov
                    Whiteside are all better on at least one side of the ball and in some cases, even equal on the other side.

                    This excludes all PFs. Because if we're involving PFs in a "Top 3 Big Men" discussion, then Jonas won't even get the light of day.


                    I can see Jonas becoming a top 3 big man someday, but I don't believe that is realistic for next year, give it a couple years.
                    ypu are really overvalueing alot of those guys.

                    Joprdan is useless without Paul on offense
                    Jefferson is not better than JV
                    Chandler is one sided and getting really up there in age and his play has reflected that
                    Bogut is awesom
                    Gortat, I dont think he is better than JV. so matter of opinion i guess
                    Mosgov isnt as good. that is pretty much fact.
                    whiteside? he played good defense in like 20 games. no offense at all.
                    Monroe I can give you that one with a doubting nod.
                    Duncan plays alot more pf now I thought


                    I dont think top three center is that much of a reach considering his growth over the last 2 years.

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                    • Dwane Casey wrote: View Post
                      ffs
                      Ah, Casey.



                      Any thoughts about the line-up thread buddy?
                      Axel wrote:
                      Now Cody can stop posting about this guy and we have a poster to blame if anything goes wrong!!
                      KeonClark wrote:
                      We won't hear back from him. He dissapears into thin air and reappears when you least expect it. Ten is an enigma. Ten is a legend. Ten for the motherfucking win.
                      KeonClark wrote:
                      I can't wait until the playoffs start.

                      Until then, opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they most often stink

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                      • The list of guys who play C exclusively (not PF's who spend some time at C) is very short. Out of that group, a number of them are defensive specialists with zero offensive game. If you have the two caveats of "legit C" and "two-way player," you could definitely be arguing for Jonas to be in the top three of that group already.
                        "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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                        • Cody73 wrote: View Post
                          Ah, Casey.



                          Any thoughts about the line-up thread buddy?
                          Cody, tbh I was planning on bringing Jonas off the bench, but with that new dang contract I don't think that's possible anymore.
                          We make mistakes. That's why they put erasers on pencils.

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                          • Dwane Casey wrote: View Post
                            Cody, tbh I was planning on bringing Jonas off the bench, but with that new dang contract I don't think that's possible anymore.
                            I can see the tension in your face Dwane, it's ok, I know you can find a way to bench him.

                            Pound the rock, Dwane, pound the rock.

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                            • S.R. wrote: View Post
                              The list of guys who play C exclusively (not PF's who spend some time at C) is very short. Out of that group, a number of them are defensive specialists with zero offensive game. If you have the two caveats of "legit C" and "two-way player," you could definitely be arguing for Jonas to be in the top three of that group already.
                              this right here was my point all along.

                              There arent alot of 2 way pure centers in the league.

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                              • After this contract, its once again evident, that Masai is not IN danger. He IS the Danger.

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