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  • Barolt wrote: View Post
    They only scored 40 points in the paint last night. For the firepower on Cleveland, holding them to 40 in the paint is perfectly reasonable.
    40 points in the paint is never reasonable. What are talking about?
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    • I believe that JV could be really a good mid range shooter. I see no reason why he can't take more of those shots like the Gasols and Aldridge.

      The problem is JV is not confident in those shots.

      Be honest, those shots are there for him every time. He could take 5 open ones every game. But instead he pump fakes or passes it back out or does that running hook.

      Maybe he's just not that type of player. He doesn't have the scoring mentality (in the NBA) and thus, he's not perceived to be a "scorer."

      Maybe in International play the scoring comes easy for him, but in the NBA I don't look at Jonas and see a scorer at all.

      Yes, he needs more touches. But isn't that on him to speak to his teammates and coaches about?

      Fans don't hand out touches or minutes.



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      • Modeliukas wrote: View Post
        How many touches do you want him to get per game. I don't think Jonas is ready to take on this kind of leadership role.. Also would the game improve if we give him more attention cause at the end of the day he still struggles on Defense.
        http://stats.nba.com/league/player/d...USMINUS&dir=-1

        Jonas' defensive FG% is 1.8% above season average. Not good, but not what you'd call awful. Scola's is worse, at 2.6, but I don't see people saying he should get the ball less on offense because of his defense.(which is an argument that makes no sense anyways)

        If offense touches are to be given out based on defensive prowess, judging by defensive FG%, we should run our offense through Ross, Patterson and Johnson.
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        • Barolt wrote: View Post
          They only scored 40 points in the paint last night. For the firepower on Cleveland, holding them to 40 in the paint is perfectly reasonable.
          When players get lays ups. It boost their confidence level. Most important thing about defense is to protect the paint. That will never change.
          @Chr1st1anL

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          • The always excellent Zach Lowe on offensive rebounding.

            http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14...ing-room-floor

            Teams are cutting back, although interestingly enough, analytics dept's disagree. OR's lead to easy points, if you can snag them, but easier transition points if you don't.

            JV is a terrific offensive rebounder, one of the best in the league, and Casey apparently allows him to crash the glass.

            Intuitively this strategy would tend to make ORTG better, but DRTG worse.
            If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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            • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
              40 points in the paint is never reasonable. What are talking about?
              It's honestly really not that bad. Every single team in the league gives up at least 15 FGM within 5 feet of the basket per game. We actually rank 5th lowest in this category at 15.2.(Spurs and Grizzlies give up 14.8)

              In terms of FG% within 5 feet, we also rank 5th lowest. Now, people are going to say it's because of Biz, but he only averages 23.6 minutes per game.

              We're in the bottom 10 in the league in opponent FGM/game at 25-29 feet, as well as opponent FG% at that range. Middle of the pack in both makes and percentage at 20-24ft.

              The closer you get to the basket, the better our numbers get. Keep telling yourself our defensive problem is in the paint.
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              • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
                Its Podcast sponsored by Sportsnet. They talk raptors and NBA. More so Raptors stuff. Good listen. Can be found on iTunes
                Listened. Meh.

                Guy who brought up Biyombo over JV also said that there is no point discussing the success of the defence until the playoffs, which is pretty rich coming from a guy on a podcast.

                Another guy brought up stats per48, which is odd.

                They also throw up the Ben Wallace comp but again solely look at rebounds and blocks (while they were looking at the stats, one guy explicitly said only looks at rebounds and blocks).

                These guys don't impress.
                Heir, Prince of Cambridge

                If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.

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                • 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
                  The always excellent Zach Lowe on offensive rebounding.

                  http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14...ing-room-floor

                  Teams are cutting back, although interestingly enough, analytics dept's disagree. OR's lead to easy points, if you can snag them, but easier transition points if you don't.

                  JV is a terrific offensive rebounder, one of the best in the league, and Casey apparently allows him to crash the glass.

                  Intuitively this strategy would tend to make ORTG better, but DRTG worse.
                  Read that article, but looking at who the best offensive rebounders are made me question how much you can read into an individual players offensive rebounding versus transition points.

                  Kawhi Leonard has one of the highest ORB% rates among guards/wings, and the spurs might be the best defensive team ever.
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                  • Barolt wrote: View Post
                    It's honestly really not that bad. Every single team in the league gives up at least 15 FGM within 5 feet of the basket per game. We actually rank 5th lowest in this category at 15.2.(Spurs and Grizzlies give up 14.8)

                    In terms of FG% within 5 feet, we also rank 5th lowest. Now, people are going to say it's because of Biz, but he only averages 23.6 minutes per game.

                    We're in the bottom 10 in the league in opponent FGM/game at 25-29 feet, as well as opponent FG% at that range. Middle of the pack in both makes and percentage at 20-24ft.

                    The closer you get to the basket, the better our numbers get. Keep telling yourself our defensive problem is in the paint.
                    Well its not cause of JV who is allowing over 60% at the rim. It has a lot to do with BB seeing that his our best rim protector by far.
                    @Chr1st1anL

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                    • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
                      Well its not cause of JV who is allowing over 60% at the rim. It has a lot to do with BB seeing that his our best rim protector by far.
                      http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202685/tracking/defense/

                      Within 6 feet of the basket, Players are actually shooting 0.9% below season average against JV. In fact, the area that brings down his defensive FG% average is greater than 15ft shots, and we know he isn't mobile enough to guard shooting bigs.

                      http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/202687/tracking/defense/

                      Biz is better than JV in close, but weak in the exact same areas. JV isn't as good as Biz in close, but definitely isn't bad. Again, we rank in the top 5 in the league at defense in close, all our defensive numbers at less than 15 feet are very, very good. Our perimeter numbers are very, very bad. You're trying to solve a perimeter problem with a post solution.
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                      • JV is very offensively skilled but, if its not used than he really has no value. His PnR defense is poor. Teams always put him in that situation and he doesn't protect the rim.
                        @Chr1st1anL

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                        • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
                          The thing is you cant give him that usage when his such a liability on D. People are going to say what about DD? JV being a liability on D is way more of a problem than DD. Like it or not C position is way more important on D than SG. His suppose to be the anchor of this defense but, players are shooting over 60% at rim when his defending. His basically giving back everything he just did on O.

                          You can say the exact opposite about BB but, BB's offense is getting better. While JV's D is getting worse.
                          But right now if he's getting 25-30 minutes a game anyways then why not include him? Maybe we'll get more than expected on the offensive end. Maybe he'll be the missing piece to opening up enough lanes to make Derozan and Lowry truly elite. Maybe we'll be an offensive juggernaut then. He's not a sieve on defense, just not elite. If he makes us elite on offense then we'll be solving the problem of not getting any contributions from our centre position

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                          • Bandit wrote: View Post
                            But right now if he's getting 25-30 minutes a game anyways then why not include him? Maybe we'll get more than expected on the offensive end. Maybe he'll be the missing piece to opening up enough lanes to make Derozan and Lowry truly elite. Maybe we'll be an offensive juggernaut then. He's not a sieve on defense, just not elite. If he makes us elite on offense then we'll be solving the problem of not getting any contributions from our centre position
                            The only way for raps to be successful is for them to be an elite defensive team. They just don't have the talent level to be that elite on offense.
                            @Chr1st1anL

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                            • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
                              40 points in the paint is never reasonable. What are talking about?
                              What?

                              The Memphis Grizzlies, the best team in the league at preventing PITP per game, allow 37 points in the paint on average.

                              The worst team is Golden State, who allow 46 PITP.

                              40 seems like the very definition of reasonable.
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                              • Barolt wrote: View Post
                                Read that article, but looking at who the best offensive rebounders are made me question how much you can read into an individual players offensive rebounding versus transition points.

                                Kawhi Leonard has one of the highest ORB% rates among guards/wings, and the spurs might be the best defensive team ever.
                                Kawhi is probably using his combo of athletic quickness/great hands/smarts to grab longer rebounds, not crashing the glass. His ORB% is only 4.6% vs JV's 14.5 %.
                                If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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