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  • KHD wrote: View Post
    not even close to the comparison he's made here. but good try.
    Enlighten me then.

    Because it seems like he just threw out a bunch of young players without stopping to think if a) they play for their respective teams over veterans during crunch time like we were discussing or b) in the case of guys like Boban, Clark, etc…. if they even play at all.

    Ian Clark playing "big minutes" for the Warriors is patently ridiculous.
    Last edited by Fully; Mon Feb 1st, 2016, 05:23 PM.

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    • Fully wrote: View Post
      Enlighten me then.

      Because it seems like he just threw out a bunch of young players without stopping to think if a) they play for their respective teams over veterans during crunch time like we were discussing or b) in the case of guys like Boban, Clark, etc…. if they even play at all.

      Ian Clark playing "big minutes" for the Warriors is patently ridiculous.
      Ian Clark has played more minutes this season than BeBe, Powell, Bennett, Wright and Bruno COMBINED.
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      • It's not just minutes. It's opportunities and reps too. Both Myles Turner and Kristaps Porzingis have higher FGA per 36 and usage %s as rookies than Jonas has ever had in his career, including this year.

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        • Barolt wrote: View Post
          Ian Clark has played more minutes this season than BeBe, Powell, Bennett, Wright and Bruno COMBINED.
          You're dressing it up to make it sound more significant than it is. Most of those Raptor players have been assigned to the D League (where they've been playing big minutes)… That was kind of the point of setting the entire D League team up, remember? It allows them to play all season despite the big club not having any room for them in the rotation.

          You still haven't shown me where Clark is getting his crunch time reps. He played for two weeks in December when Curry was hurt and now he only gets to play in blowouts - and he happens to play for a team that dishes a lot of them out.

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          • Fully wrote: View Post
            Enlighten me then.

            Because it seems like he just threw out a bunch of young players without stopping to think if a) they play for their respective teams over veterans during crunch time like we were discussing or b) in the case of guys like Boban, Clark, etc…. if they even play at all.

            Ian Clark playing "big minutes" for the Warriors is patently ridiculous.
            The comparison to clark was related to Bebe, Powell, Wright.

            We are not finding any minutes for young guys... despite being (supposedly) one of the top teams in the league. Meanwhile the real contenders are finding minutes for their prospects.

            How is that hard to understand?

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            • Fully wrote: View Post
              You're dressing it up to make it sound more significant than it is. Most of those Raptor players have been assigned to the D League (where they've been playing big minutes)… That was kind of the point of setting the entire D League team up, remember? It allows them to play all season despite the big club not having any room for them in the rotation.

              You still haven't shown me where Clark is getting his crunch time reps. He played for two weeks in December when Curry was hurt and now he only gets to play in blowouts - and he happens to play for a team that dishes a lot of them out.
              You can't really believe that D-League minutes are even close to the same thing as NBA minutes. Have you WATCHED a D-League game?

              http://stats.nba.com/league/player/#...sort=MIN&dir=1

              Since you asked, Ian Clark has logged 9 crunch time minutes for the Warriors. More than Barbosa, Rush or Speights, half as many as Bogut.

              For us, in crunch time, DeMar and Kyle unsurprisingly play pretty much every close game, then CoJo, then it gets fuzzy.

              Interestingly, we have a 12-11 record when CoJo plays in crunch time, a 7-8 record when Carroll plays in crunch time, and a 7-3 record when Ross plays in crunch time. Similarily, we have a 5-8 record when Scola plays crunch minutes, vs. a 10-5 record when 2Pat plays.
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              • Scraptor wrote: View Post
                It's not just minutes. It's opportunities and reps too. Both Myles Turner and Kristaps Porzingis have higher FGA per 36 and usage %s as rookies than Jonas has ever had in his career, including this year.
                I get that the Raptors are somewhat in 'win now' mode, but I find it silly to think that the 5 young guys couldn't take turns getting even a few minutes of playing time (especially given all the injuries the Raptors have had), without causing the team to lose games.

                For example, give Wright a few minutes on the court in place of Joseph, in a lineup with Lowry/DeRozan/Patterson/JV, and I doubt the team would suffer. The benefit could pay off significantly a few seasons down the road, or should a more serious injury thrust Wright into the rotation this season.

                The same could easily be done with other young players, in short bursts:
                - Bebe could take a few minutes from Biyombo (who is likely leaving after the season)
                - Bennett could take a few minutes from Scola (ditto)
                - Wright/Powell/Bruno could take a few minutes from JJ (ditto)
                - Wright/Powell/Bruno could take a few minutes from Joseph (when DD/Ross plays SF)
                - Wright/Powell/Bruno could take a few minutes from DD (just to give him some extra rest)
                - Wright/Powell could take a few minutes from Lowry (just to give him some extra rest)

                Giving some key guys a little extra rest throughout the grind of the regular season could actually benefit those players as well, come playoff time.

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                • CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post
                  I get that the Raptors are somewhat in 'win now' mode, but I find it silly to think that the 5 young guys couldn't take turns getting even a few minutes of playing time (especially given all the injuries the Raptors have had), without causing the team to lose games.

                  For example, give Wright a few minutes on the court in place of Joseph, in a lineup with Lowry/DeRozan/Patterson/JV, and I doubt the team would suffer. The benefit could pay off significantly a few seasons down the road, or should a more serious injury thrust Wright into the rotation this season.

                  The same could easily be done with other young players, in short bursts:
                  - Bebe could take a few minutes from Biyombo (who is likely leaving after the season)
                  - Bennett could take a few minutes from Scola (ditto)
                  - Wright/Powell/Bruno could take a few minutes from JJ (ditto)
                  - Wright/Powell/Bruno could take a few minutes from Joseph (when DD/Ross plays SF)
                  - Wright/Powell/Bruno could take a few minutes from DD (just to give him some extra rest)
                  - Wright/Powell could take a few minutes from Lowry (just to give him some extra rest)

                  Giving some key guys a little extra rest throughout the grind of the regular season could actually benefit those players as well, come playoff time.
                  Agreed 100%. And it's not just helping the kids' development, it's smart asset management. We can actually see what we've got, and we can also help increase trade value. The narrative on a lot of these kids is going to be that they're D-leaguers and that's it. Not very enticing trade chips.

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                  • Is there any where you can look up how many minutes per game we play one of our designated C's per game and how many minutes we play a non Centre at that spot?

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                    • LJ2 wrote: View Post
                      Is there any where you can look up how many minutes per game we play one of our designated C's per game and how many minutes we play a non Centre at that spot?
                      http://public.tableau.com/shared/K8J...play_count=yes

                      About the best I can do.
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                      • LJ2 wrote: View Post
                        Is there any where you can look up how many minutes per game we play one of our designated C's per game and how many minutes we play a non Centre at that spot?
                        Can look up lineups. We mostly only do that with Scola and PP at the forward spots, and they've played 167 minutes together (an average of 3.5 minutes per game).

                        Or you can just look at the total minutes played by JV, BB and BeBe, since none of them play PF, and compare to the total minutes played by the team. Team has played 2314 minutes, and those three have played 2032 minutes. That's 282 minutes without a C, or about 6 minutes per game. A chunk of that is from when JV was out and Scola played a bunch of backup C instead of BeBe, but those are the numbers.
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                        • on the late shot clock play by val. that was a great example of someone being out of their comfort zone. he got stuck really high and had to make a decision with the clock running down. hesitated, defense closed. he made a great ball fake and stepped in missing a pretty long two, for him. how high we run our pick/screens at, i would hope that that scenario is something that comes up in practice more after they watch the tape and get some familiarity in there.

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                          • Post defenders ranked by opponent's points per possession.

                            But hey, let's keep believing JV is a bad defender.
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                            • One of the most frustrating things to see the Raptors' guards do is dig down on a JV-defended post up. It almost always leads to either the guard fouling the big or the big kicking it out the the guy the guard is supposed to be, you know, guarding, for an open three. Just let JV stop the guy dead.
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                              • DanH wrote: View Post
                                One of the most frustrating things to see the Raptors' guards do is dig down on a JV-defended post up. It almost always leads to either the guard fouling the big or the big kicking it out the the guy the guard is supposed to be, you know, guarding, for an open three. Just let JV stop the guy dead.
                                One of the things he's become quite good at is even just denying the post up from the get-go. He's denied his fair share of entry passes, and you even see guards just not throwing it in because they're worried about getting the pass in. I don't know if it's a coach, or from playing with Chuck Hayes for a couple of years, but that's one area you really don't have to worry with JV.

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