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  • I deleted a post, I don't know if it was in here, nothing pitting JV vs. DD that I can think of though, 4th quarter discussion doesn't even involve JV as he wasn't playing.

    Ball movement was great, which included Poeltl with nice kick-outs from the roll and Delon with great kick-outs off dribble penetration.

    9 AST on 12 FGM at some point, not sure if that was right at the end or just near the end.
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    • Chr1s1anL wrote: View Post
      As you can see you can hide those guys way easier. Example James Harden and IT.

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      Harden is worth of hiding - double digits in assists is daily business and he's one of the best scorers in the league.
      IT is clutch as hell.

      Your boy DD - points is the only thing he provides in current situation. And that isn't enough to match-up the outcome of non-existent defense and switching off the team-mates on offense.
      I suppose DD would be worth hiding too, like say Portland's guard duo, if not Casey. Combo of these two is too deadly...

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      • Cross wrote: View Post
        Harden is worth of hiding - double digits in assists is daily business and he's one of the best scorers in the league.
        IT is clutch as hell.

        Your boy DD - points is the only thing he provides in current situation. And that isn't enough to match-up the outcome of non-existent defense and switching off the team-mates on offense.
        I suppose DD would be worth hiding too, like say Portland's guard duo, if not Casey. Combo of these two is too deadly...
        He is averaging 5 rebounds and 4 assist?

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        • How about 36min per game on 35% usage taking into consideration?

          5&4 is fine for bakcup (plus 2.5 TO btw). Not so much for the one, who is supposed to be the main engine of the team.

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          • Cross wrote: View Post
            How about 36min per game on 35% usage taking into consideration?

            5&4 is fine for bakcup (plus 2.5 TO btw). Not so much for the one, who is supposed to be the main engine of the team.
            There are 19 players in the NBA who average the 5 rebounds and 3.7 assists per game that DeMar is averaging, and none of them are backups except for Rajon Rondo, who yapped himself out of a starting spot.

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            I think guards are easier to hide on defense than a bad centre, who is supposed to be the anchor. That said, it can be done. Here are the best teams in terms of DRatg:

            1. Spurs - they've played Pau and David Lee over 1000 minutes each, though Aldridge probably sees his fair share of time at centre
            2. Warriors - Draymond plays his fair share of smallball centre, Pachulia
            3. Jazz - Gobert
            4. Grizzlies - Marc Gasol
            5. Hawks - Howard
            6. Heat - Whiteside
            7. Pistons - Drummond
            8. Hornets - Zeller. They've also floated Hibbert and Kaminsky at C at times (maybe Hawes too)
            9. Pelicans - mishmash of Asik, Ajinca, and Anthony Davis smallball
            10. Thunder - Adams
            11. Clippers - DeAndre
            12. Wizards - Gortat

            Notice how there's a mix of athletic guys like Whiteside/Drummond/DeAndre along with higher BBIQ guys like Marc Gasol and Draymond. And the two that stick out are the Spurs and Hornets. What are they doing so effectively to have such great defenses without the type of premiere big man defense the other teams sport?

            Obviously Kawhi and MKG are a huge help. But the system has to be making a difference.

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            There's got to be a better way to play to Jonas's abilities on D than what we're doing now. And maybe that's what we lost when we lost Andy Greer.
            It’s Ogugua season. Time to gugua.

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            • Scraptor wrote: View Post

              There's got to be a better way to play to Jonas's abilities on D than what we're doing now. And maybe that's what we lost when we lost Andy Greer.
              there's no maybe as far as i'm concerned

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              • Bruce Arthur reiterates some of what he discussed with Zach Lowe, namely that JV's time in Toronto may be coming to an end. 10:15 mark.

                http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050...n-end-1.678289

                It may not happen at the deadline but barring a massive playoff run, I doubt we'll see Jonas next year. Which is really sad, because I think it will end up being one of our biggest blown opportunities.
                It’s Ogugua season. Time to gugua.

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                • Wasn't Arthur the guy that said that Masai wasn't going to make a move.. yet a day or two later we ended up with Ibaka? I don't think he's connected. So it's just off the cuff talk. I don't mind if JV is traded.. just think his rebounding and post game is pretty critical to this team.. especially in the playoffs.

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                  • planetmars wrote: View Post
                    Wasn't Arthur the guy that said that Masai wasn't going to make a move.. yet a day or two later we ended up with Ibaka? I don't think he's connected. So it's just off the cuff talk. I don't mind if JV is traded.. just think his rebounding and post game is pretty critical to this team.. especially in the playoffs.
                    4 days. He didn't just say there wouldn't be a move. He explicitly said "Ibaka isn't coming."

                    But more, the faith that such a move tilts the tables enough to pull the trigger has not coalesced. So with the trade deadline two weeks away, it’s becoming clear: Millsap isn’t coming. Ibaka isn’t coming. The big swing that some in the fan base are clamouring for isn’t happening. Right now, even a small tweak doesn’t seem to be on the table.
                    I've said it before, I'll say it again. The local beat guys are always the last to know anything about the Raptors, because they have team sources, and Masai don't do leaks. The big NBA beat guys have league sources, as well as sources within many front offices, so when teams are approaching finalized deals, they find out, either through the league offices vetting the possible deal or whichever team has the leakier front office.
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                    • DanH wrote: View Post
                      4 days. He didn't just say there wouldn't be a move. He explicitly said "Ibaka isn't coming."



                      I've said it before, I'll say it again. The local beat guys are always the last to know anything about the Raptors, because they have team sources, and Masai don't do leaks. The big NBA beat guys have league sources, as well as sources within many front offices, so when teams are approaching finalized deals, they find out, either through the league offices vetting the possible deal or whichever team has the leakier front office.
                      That may all be true, but in this instance, it all rings pretty close to what would be a logical progression of events. You wanna keep Patterson, Lowry and Ibaka, most likely you're parting with JV, Cojo, and if you can, Carroll.
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                      • It's become somewhat obvious that JV is no longer a long term piece for the Raptors, so I think the question turns to when you can max out his trade value. If Masai is able to do it before the trade period, it probably happens. If a deal doesn't come across his desk that he likes then they move him during the summer.

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                        • Still think it's a big leap from "Boogie/Drummond are available, let's talk about JV" to "we need to trade JV, the sooner the better." A big leap.

                          Also, Detroit is still taking calls on Drummond.
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                          • jimmie wrote: View Post
                            That may all be true, but in this instance, it all rings pretty close to what would be a logical progression of events. You wanna keep Patterson, Lowry and Ibaka, most likely you're parting with JV, Cojo, and if you can, Carroll.
                            Why again, when we finally have a viable PF rotation, are we abandoning the only functional starting quality C we've had since... what, Antonio Davis?

                            The fanbase has targeted Ibaka or an Ibaka-like PF for years as an ideal fit next to JV. Why on earth would acquiring him lead anyone to conclude the Raptors want to move on from him? If you can upgrade from JV to a guy like Cousins, sure, why wouldn't you. But that doesn't mean the team is looking to get rid of him.

                            Carroll might need to go because of the numbers crunch, and CoJo has taken a big step back and has two young guys on his heels, so he's probably moving on at some point. But dealing JV to save cash seems like creating a hole for no real reason.
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                            • DanH wrote: View Post
                              Why again, when we finally have a viable PF rotation, are we abandoning the only functional starting quality C we've had since... what, Antonio Davis?

                              The fanbase has targeted Ibaka or an Ibaka-like PF for years as an ideal fit next to JV. Why on earth would acquiring him lead anyone to conclude the Raptors want to move on from him? If you can upgrade from JV to a guy like Cousins, sure, why wouldn't you. But that doesn't mean the team is looking to get rid of him.

                              Carroll might need to go because of the numbers crunch, and CoJo has taken a big step back and has two young guys on his heels, so he's probably moving on at some point. But dealing JV to save cash seems like creating a hole for no real reason.
                              Seriously, the board goes from hypothesizing that if Cousins ever becomes available, most would agree to flip JV+ for him.

                              Guess what? Masai offered JV+ when Cousins became available. And now the board takes this as some sort of evidence that JV is considered expendable.

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                              • DanH wrote: View Post
                                Why again, when we finally have a viable PF rotation, are we abandoning the only functional starting quality C we've had since... what, Antonio Davis?

                                The fanbase has targeted Ibaka or an Ibaka-like PF for years as an ideal fit next to JV. Why on earth would acquiring him lead anyone to conclude the Raptors want to move on from him? If you can upgrade from JV to a guy like Cousins, sure, why wouldn't you. But that doesn't mean the team is looking to get rid of him.

                                Carroll might need to go because of the numbers crunch, and CoJo has taken a big step back and has two young guys on his heels, so he's probably moving on at some point. But dealing JV to save cash seems like creating a hole for no real reason.
                                LOL people on here are crazy. Sometimes it seems like they just want to make trades just for the sake of it. But Dan I have a question for you. How do you think Ibaka and Jonas will fit together? Because Zach Lowe made a good point about Ibaka and Nikola not fitting well together and he and JV have very similar skill sets. Lowe doesn't think big slow offensive C's fit well alongside more mobile athletic PF's because it causes the better defender (the PF) to be stuck on the perimeter and negates their rim protection. What are your thoughts? Do you see Ibaka fitting nicely alongside JV? And why do you think it didn't work well with Nikola defensively but will with JV?
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