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Last edited by DogeLover1234; Tue Oct 10, 2017, 02:24 PM.
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KeonClark wrote: View PostI believe he will be shopped, and dealt only if the team gets a piece to help improve, not just guaranteed dumped for cap space which you indicate. Pretty big difference there.
I also believe if OG proves he can shoot and play meaningful minutes than cj miles is the piece to go for payroll purposes, he's basically a stop gap/insurance policy for our current question mark at the 3 spot
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DogeLover1234 wrote: View PostCall me crazy, but management seems to have put a 3 year window on this team, having made an effort to sign Lowry and Ibaka to 3 year deals, and DD currently having 3 years left. With that in mind, doesn't it make sense that they would make the decision to go over the cap at least one of those three years with good showing? If the team plays well, does well in playoffs and all the guys who are getting paid are good, I don't see why someone has to get traded literally just to avoid a tax bill. Excitement and a playoff run definitely make up for the tax expense.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostYou don't think Masai is looking to do just that? He's invested heavily in this core, but he can't believe for a minute that the Raptors can beat the Cav's. JV is a good player, but I don't think anyone here thinks he's a core member taking into consideration the fit with the rest of the starters. He has value, and is on a good contract which makes him the best option to trade for Masai's final "all in" move. Though he does have a 3 year window to work with.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostYou don't think Masai is looking to do just that? He's invested heavily in this core, but he can't believe for a minute that the Raptors can beat the Cav's. JV is a good player, but I don't think anyone here thinks he's a core member taking into consideration the fit with the rest of the starters. He has value, and is on a good contract which makes him the best option to trade for Masai's final "all in" move. Though he does have a 3 year window to work with.
I also think that JV's contract (assuming he opts in) being the same length as DeRozan's (assuming DD opts out), Lowry's and Ibaka's is no coincidence, and Masai fully intended to have JV along for the ride if they could afford it. I also think most of the salary cap maneuvering they did and attempted to do this past spring had a lot to do with them expecting Powell to get a godfather RFA offer. Him signing for cheap lets them keep the team together for a reasonable price tag without shedding any more talent.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostI only see that happening if we take the Cavs to at least 7 games. We just don't have the talent for that. Cavs are better than last year IMO. I can talk myself to 6 games but, not 7.
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DanH wrote: View PostI think JV actually fits far better with the core than many suggest around here, and his game is key to the team's success right now.
I also think that JV's contract (assuming he opts in) being the same length as DeRozan's (assuming DD opts out), Lowry's and Ibaka's is no coincidence, and Masai fully intended to have JV along for the ride if they could afford it. I also think most of the salary cap maneuvering they did and attempted to do this past spring had a lot to do with them expecting Powell to get a godfather RFA offer. Him signing for cheap lets them keep the team together for a reasonable price tag without shedding any more talent.
I don't doubt we have a great shot at being the 2nd seed in the east with JV.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostWe have been a 50 win team with JV for the past few years. He's a good player and we are good with him. The point remains we are not within striking distance of the Cav's and JV fits the least with the type of offence the Raptors hope to run, among the starters (Miles has little in the way of value that could improve this team). Unless MU is fine with being a distant second to the Cav's until LBJ is out of the equation then changes have to be made.
I don't doubt we have a great shot at being the 2nd seed in the east with JV.
If there is a move to get past him, it's not a question of fit, but of additional star power. In which case, if Ujiri wants to take that chance, you trade whoever you have to to make that happen. But such an opportunity is extremely unlikely to even occur, with the relative dearth of extra assets the Raptors could trade.
I restate my opinion: JV fits very well with the style of offence the team wants to run, and his role within it is significantly understated by many.
The reality is, Ujiri is already all in. Ibaka was the power move, getting a borderline star PF to go with the core that has had so much success without one. There's likely no additional move to be made, except perhaps a role player rental. The hope now lies in the players we have.
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SkywalkerAC wrote: View PostWe're set up to avoid the tax this year. Lebron is likely to leave Cleveland after this year. Seems like we have a pretty wide open contention window opening in the near future, no?
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SkywalkerAC wrote: View PostWe're set up to avoid the tax this year. Lebron is likely to leave Cleveland after this year. Seems like we have a pretty wide open contention window opening in the near future, no?
In 10 years, nobody except the most hardcore of fans remembers the runner up.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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LJ2 wrote: View PostThat could very well be the case, and if so then great foresight by Ujiri. Just doesn't seem like a very proactive strategy to wait for the chips to fall your way.
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KeonClark wrote: View Post**contention for eastern conference champion
In 10 years, nobody except the most hardcore of fans remembers the runner up.
And a lot of casual fans remember Vince almost hitting that monumental shot...that would have advanced them to the ECF.
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SkywalkerAC wrote: View PostAren't the hardcore like us the ones that really matter?
And a lot of casual fans remember Vince almost hitting that monumental shot...that would have advanced them to the ECF.
making big $$$ is about keeping the fairweather fans engaged.
That being said if the raptors are really knocking on the door, people will be paying attention even if they don't win.
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