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bryan colangelo wrote: View PostIt's kind of hard to fast track a bigs development, isn't it? Stan Van Gundy is trying to do it in Detroit, and their team is terrible.
The biggest issue for JV (and Amir) is we just don't run straight-up pick and rolls. The truth might be that Lowry is a bad pick-and-roll point guard.
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostYes...this is pretty plain to see. Part of it is simply he's not a fantastic passer (by PG standards, obviously he's not a bad passer or anything). Part of it is his height...which is probably the reason we see a fair amount of low passes from him on the p'n'r. Hard to handle for bigs.
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golden wrote: View PostIt's not his height. CP3 and Rondo are comparable in height and they have excellent vision. It's more Lowry's style - ultra aggressive, low center of gravity, head-down, with a score first mentality. He's not the patient, probing type of guard with the head-up on a swivel. Those types, like Jose, are good PnR PGs, and overall distributors. Mike Conley is another small guard who is good at feeding the post, and has a great chemistry with Gasol, obviously.
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NaijaBoy17 wrote: View PostSo you flat-out lied to prove a point? Nice
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First of all, I wasn't even talking about Negative Reinforcement, I was talking about Negative Punishment. And no, they're not the same thing. Negative Reinforcement is taking something away in order to get a favorable behaviour to be repeated. That's not what Casey does to JV. He does negative punishment; ie. taking something away (minutes) in order to get an unfavourable behaviour (defensive mistakes) to decrease.
I'm not sure which sports psychology degree you have that you can make a statement like "You cannot argue differently".
"Research studies have found that punishment is effective in suppressing or eliminating unwanted behavior. But in order for punishment to be effective it must happen immediately after the behavior, be severe, and occur every time the behavior occurs.
Read more: Punishment - Negative, Unwanted, Psychologists, and Effective - JRank Articles http://psychology.jrank.org/pages/523/Punishment.html#ixzz3KzGopQDy"
Dude you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
However, negative reinforcement by definition involves removal of the negative condition. For the purpose of arguments sake, the removal of negative condition with respect to sports is impossible, so I think the use of "negative reinforcement" in the context of text (also, the quoted text used negative reinforcement) is allowable in the situation, contextually. If you read my post, you will notice that I said that "criticism" should still be a part of the positive reinforcement, which is basically saying negative punishment should still exist.
Instead of attacking my intelligence and saying I have no idea what I'm talking about, how about you tell me in explicit detail how the benefits of negative "punishment" is the BEST way to develop a confidence-dependent skill?
Some psychologists have even argued that:
"punishment should not be used in the sport setting as it gives a negative feeling about activity" here
Or to a lesser degree:
"Punishment has been shown to effectively eliminate undesirable behaviors, but it may create additional problems, too. A major drawback is that punishment may arouse a fear of failure or a desire to avoid defeat rater than approach success. It may also draw an increased attention to undesirable behavior, thereby reinforcing it. Finally, punishment may also create an unpleasant and aversive learning environment" here
In the same article listed above, it is suggest that "1) everyone gets the same punishment. 2) Punish the behaviour, not the person, 7) DO NOT PUNISH ATHLETES FOR MAKING ERRORS WHILE THEY ARE PLAYING, 9) use punishment sparingly"
Do any of those sound like JV's situation?
No
*drops mic*
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Old School, the stuff you quoted is correct for amateur athletics, but this is the NBA, not house league. Kobe coasted on D at times to save his energy for the offensive end when the Lakers were winning championships. Would Jackson treat him the same as he would if Josh Powell was coasting on D? Not a chance. Nor should he.
As for the "punishment" and "benching" of JV in the 4th, these are made up terms used by us. JJ isn't being benched or punished by not being in the starting lineup, it's just a coaching decision. Maybe JV is fine, just Amir and PPat are better at crunch time. Brown can give Noel all the crunch time minutes he wants, as can Snyder with Kanter or SVG with Drummond,, because they're losers and they don't really have anyone better anyway. Zach Lowe doesn't really give a shit whether we win or the opponents do so it's easy to say JV should be forcefed more crunch minutes. And with Amir's ankles it's almost a foregone conclusion JV will get opportunities as the season progresses.If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.
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consmap wrote: View PostGreetings! I come to you as a representative of the United States of Amirica!"Both teams played hard my man" - Sheed
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