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Jonas Valanciunas after BIG game: 'I didn't eat for two days. I had rotavirus. How do I feel? I want to go to 'that' room' #Eurobasket2015
— Donatas Urbonas (@Urbodo) September 10, 2015
I couldn't play basketball with rotavirus. Oh no, no, no.
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raptors999 wrote: View PostEverybody on the Raptors dropped by almost half in Asst%. Lou went from a career 22% to about 13%. Lou was a ball hog before yet got even more chucky
Forget about "everybody on the Raptors" experiencing a 50% drop in assist percentage… Derozan, Lowry, Ross, Patterson, Hayes (a centre!!!!!!!!!) and James Johnson all had assist percentages last season that exceeded their career averages. That's 6 of their top 11 rotation. And Amir was about 1.5% down from his career mark.
And if you think Hansbrough dropping from 4.4 AST% his last season in Indiana to a 2.7 AST% mark his first season in Toronto is a meaningful decline, then I'm pretty sure you don't even know what the stat means.
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Henry_Chinaski wrote: View PostJonas with 13 points, 10 rebounds, 3 blocks and 2 steals in overtime win against Czech Republic. He played just after his sickness that he had on Tuesday and Wednesday. Great game for him, both on D and O. Stopped Vesely, made a mid range jumpshot. Poor fella, after the game he said that he didn't eat for two days, had fever.
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He didn't have at least 5 assists?
What a bum.Last edited by mcHAPPY; Thu Sep 10, 2015, 08:08 PM.
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rocwell wrote: View PostJonas Valanciunas after BIG game: 'I didn't eat for two days. I had rotavirus. How do I feel? I want to go to 'that' room' #Eurobasket2015— Donatas Urbonas (@Urbodo) September 10, 2015
I couldn't play basketball with rotavirus. Oh no, no, no.
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mcHAPPY wrote: View PostWhat about assists?
He didn't have at least 5 assists?
What a bum.
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Fully wrote: View PostI'm not sure why I'm bothering to respond to this because I feel like your schtick is that you say stupid things on purpose but this statement is just plain wrong.
Forget about "everybody on the Raptors" experiencing a 50% drop in assist percentage… Derozan, Lowry, Ross, Patterson, Hayes (a centre!!!!!!!!!) and James Johnson all had assist percentages last season that exceeded their career averages. That's 6 of their top 11 rotation. And Amir was about 1.5% down from his career mark.
And if you think Hansbrough dropping from 4.4 AST% his last season in Indiana to a 2.7 AST% mark his first season in Toronto is a meaningful decline, then I'm pretty sure you don't even know what the stat means.
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Fully wrote: View PostWhy do you get so sensitive about these things? I don't think anyone is saying that Jonas isn't a good young player who's still very far from reaching finished product status. However his playmaking was some of the least effective in the entire league last season… some of it due to the style of play of the team, some of it due to his teammates and a LOT of it because JV lacks awareness and feel offensively. It's not an indictment of the guy's entire career… just a legit criticism backed up by a lot of data. It's like you can't just have a balanced conversation about anything… everything has to be one extreme of the other.
I should have pink fonted that.
Your critiques of me are tiring though.
Follow forum rules, please, and keep the personal references out of your posts.
Thanks.
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rocwell wrote: View PostHe got one assist though. That assist led to three pointer! Hey!
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Fully wrote: View PostHe was 2.7% and 2.8% in Toronto the past two seasons and 3.5% and 4.4% in Indiana the two years prior (on much higher usage). Enlighten me.
Hansbrough's AST% was about half his career value, precisely because of the way C's are utilized (or the lack thereof) in this offence. This is the context under which JV's assist numbers have existed his entire career. Hard to develop a passing game when you are in a system that suppresses opportunity for C's to get assists.
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DanH wrote: View PostUh, exactly? Centres don't get the usage here (and type of usage) that allows for assist rates they would see elsewhere. They get the ball at the very end of the play, on put backs, or on post ups where no one else moves at all. Very little chance to get assists.
Hansbrough's AST% was about half his career value, precisely because of the way C's are utilized (or the lack thereof) in this offence. This is the context under which JV's assist numbers have existed his entire career. Hard to develop a passing game when you are in a system that suppresses opportunity for C's to get assists.
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raptors999 wrote: View PostUnless JV is passing to good shooters on the perimeter it really makes no sense for him to be passing. He shot at a really high rate and only 3 pt shots at better than league avg could result in more points.
He doesn't turn the ball over. It was an issue earlier in career but each year turnovers have decreased which most tend to forget/ignore.
He is elite on points per post up at 1.02 - 88th percentile.
Meanwhile he only takes 8 shots per game with roughly 4.5 being actual post ups where he is likely to have an opportunity to create an assist opportunity.
Does he have work to do? Absolutely - especially if he desires to be more of a focus in the offense.
However as has been pointed out in the style of play and his teammates did little to promote opportunities and he is just turned 23.
Nevermind the fact he is a C!
This is like crapping on a SG who can't shoot.... actually, no wait.... that is totally different.
This is like crapping on an athletic wing who can't keep his man in front of him on D..... actually, no wait.... that is totally different too.
Oh never mind. This is just ridiculous.
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mcHAPPY wrote: View PostAnd that is the ridiculousness of the criticism.
He doesn't turn the ball over. It was an issue earlier in career but each year turnovers have decreased which most tend to forget/ignore.
He is elite on points per post up at 1.02 - 88th percentile.
Meanwhile he only takes 8 shots per game with roughly 4.5 being actual post ups where he is likely to have an opportunity to create an assist opportunity.
Does he have work to do? Absolutely - especially if he desires to be more of a focus in the offense.
However as has been pointed out in the style of play and his teammates did little to promote opportunities and he is just turned 23.
Nevermind the fact he is a C!
This is like crapping on a SG who can't shoot.... actually, no wait.... that is totally different.
This is like crapping on an athletic wing who can't keep his man in front of him on D..... actually, no wait.... that is totally different too.
Oh never mind. This is just ridiculous.I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.
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