I believe Jonas is way more efficient than Scola when it comes to old school back-to-the-basket game, but I have to agree with DD fanboys tho, Scola is better than Jonas in the post. His footwork is fun to watch.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostJV has about two post moves. Jump hook over left shoulder and turn around jump shot(like DD). Everything else he gets off rebounds and drive a dish. JV is really good finishing in the paint but, his not really dynamic low post scorer with all kinds of moves. The numbers say his an efficient finisher around the basket.
You have to ask yourself. If you had to get one bucket in a post up situation and your choices were Al Jefferson, Aldridge, both Gasol and Boogie. You guys are really telling that you guys would pick JV
You need to use context when it comes to that stat. You guys need to really watch the games and watch JV closely."Stay steamy"
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JawsGT wrote: View PostIt's JV vs. Demar...you guys are just constantly antagonizing each other. Does anyone realize they are on the same team or what? Aren't you guys tired of this nonsense yet? Is there anything else to do where you guys are or what? It's crazy. Someone says something good about JV, and the Demar guys gotta come out against it. Someone says something good about Demar, and the anti-Demar guys gotta come out against it. It's like not a single fan can say anything good about either of these guys without someone piping in an attempt to tell them their opinions are bogus...grow up fools, you should be missionaries or something. None of you have anything useful to say, just the same old crap over and over, sweet jeebus just let it go already...bunch of trolls.
Once upon a time there was always something useful to read on this site, now it's just two factions preaching for supremacy and insulting each other. Maybe I've been here too long."Stay steamy"
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostDo you guys think JV is a better post player than Scola?
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Ok, I guess I have to do this again. Just to be crystal clear, though, I'm only going to leave the essential words:
DanH wrote: View Post(Last year, JV) was the most efficient player in the league in the post (except a couple guys with WAY fewer post possessions)."Stop eating your sushi."
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A.I wrote: View PostScola had less possessions, a lower FG% and less points per possession than JV in the post, but Scola definitely has the higher bball IQ. So I'd say Jonas is the better finisher from the post, but Scola is the craftier one and has a better understanding of what to do in the post."Stay steamy"
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TRex wrote: View PostYikes.
No comment.
JV is way too overrated on this board lol. Hilarious.
Ewing was an elite big man in his day. His day was suited to that type of game though. Still, if Ewing were around today, you'd easily find a way to work him in as a major offensive piece. If we can even call JV a poor man's Ewing in a couple of years, that'd be great, and he has similar enough tools for that at least. He's an excellent finisher. He is physical down low. His shot isn't consistent, but it's not broken, so that something to watch. And Ewing was a decent shooter, but he was no sniper out there. He's not great defensively, but he's not as bad as some around here think, and most big men get better with age(this season he'll be the same age Ewing was as a rookie). He's still got lots of time to grow as a player. I mean if he can be a near elite scorer and rebounder (which he already is, but we need to see what he can do with more opportunity), and become a consistent above average or better defender, that's a pretty great player. Maybe not all time great, but still pretty great.Last edited by white men can't jump; Sat Oct 24, 2015, 08:15 PM.
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Try watching this one. Ewing's more decisive, but he was also a seasoned post player when he came into the league. But his game certainly wasn't very pretty. Some of these moves look downright awkward. He's not exactly dancing circles around guys in the post. He pulls out an impressive move here or there, but the biggest factor is decisiveness. Catching the ball and quickly going into your move before the D reacts, even if your move is a back down. And it doesn't hurt that in those days, players had way more space to operate one on one in the post. Their games don't look exactly alike, but there's more than a few plays here that already resemble JV's game in terms of tools used or area of the court being exploited. *And JV's learning on the fly, as the lack of a post game was the biggest hole in his scoring game coming into the league.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostAnyone have an answer to this question?
You wanna know who was ranked highly in PPP? Here's the list of players ranked below JV in order
Kevin Love
Donatas Motiejunas
Lamarcus Aldridge
Marc Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Blake Griffin
Brook Lopez
Al Jefferson
Zach Randolph
Joe Johnson
Markieff Morris
Pau Gasol
Dwyane Wade
Marcin Gortat
Nikola Vucevic
Greg Monroe
DeMarcus Cousins
Al Horford
Boris Diaw
Roy Hibbert
Anthony Davis
Andrew Wiggins
The corpse of Carlos Boozer
Kevin Seraphin
Tim Duncan
Derrick Favors
Nene
Andre Drummond
That's the whole page on nba.com
Even some of the more random names are very good post players, like Morris, or Diaw, or Wiggins (because of size/athleticism advantage at his position). So you really going to try and discredit a stat because Scola's in the twilight years of his career and had a bad season? I mean, no stat's perfect, but this one looks pretty good given what it's measuring.
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostLuis Scola's game has dropped off a cliff offensively. He's not the player he once was.
You wanna know who was ranked highly in PPP? Here's the list of players ranked below JV in order
Kevin Love
Donatas Motiejunas
Lamarcus Aldridge
Marc Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Blake Griffin
Brook Lopez
Al Jefferson
Zach Randolph
Joe Johnson
Markieff Morris
Pau Gasol
Dwyane Wade
Marcin Gortat
Nikola Vucevic
Greg Monroe
DeMarcus Cousins
Al Horford
Boris Diaw
Roy Hibbert
Anthony Davis
Andrew Wiggins
The corpse of Carlos Boozer
Kevin Seraphin
Tim Duncan
Derrick Favors
Nene
Andre Drummond
That's the whole page on nba.com
Even some of the more random names are very good post players, like Morris, or Diaw, or Wiggins (because of size/athleticism advantage at his position). So you really going to try and discredit a stat because Scola's in the twilight years of his career and had a bad season? I mean, no stat's perfect, but this one looks pretty good given what it's measuring.@Chr1st1anL
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