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Rudy Bargnani wrote: View PostEric Koreen included this clip of JV in his recap, critiquing his d :
http://stats.nba.com/events/#!/?flag...0PTS)&sct=plot
"Every worry about Jonas Valanciunas’s defensive ability was exposed midway through the first quarter. The very fast Bledsoe beat Lowry cleanly, and Valanciunas, abandoning Chandler, was there to provide the help. Or, he was theoretically there to provide the help. In practice, he stood there, flat-footed, and Bledsoe swooped in for an easy layup. Valanciunas just does nothing on that play. He does not put his body on Bledsoe, nor does he not make Bledsoe shoot an in-between shot. He does not have the speed to contest the layup at the rim. He does nothing. And that cannot happen."
Here's the link to the article. Good stuff.
https://theathletic.com/31819/2016/1...og-in-phoenix/
Lowry and DD are the egregious offenders. And Casey's been harping on that point in the media, i.e., that everybody needs to accept their responsibility to defend their man straight up. But it's fallen on deaf ears because the Raps think they can simply out-score other teams and win games. That's the way Lowry and DD want to play and Casey is powerless to reign them in.
Have said it many times, that's why Lowry desperately needs a mobile rim protector like Biz, so he can shirk his responsibilities on defense and also not have to think about getting him touches on offense (like JV). The defensive slippage is eerily reminiscent of 2 seasons ago. It's all about conserving energy for offense right now.Last edited by golden; Fri Dec 30, 2016, 12:50 PM.
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TRex wrote: View PostHis value is slowly diminishing. Dude is getting worse(and bigger) every year.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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KeonClark wrote: View PostHow is he getting worse every year? It's actually quite the opposite. He's improved every year. 2016 17 has been a bit of a struggle but 32 games out of 82 games is a little too early to freak out bruhski
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A.I wrote: View PostCasey is killing his career. He is a capable 20 and 10 player. He is extremely underutilized, sure he isn't a good defender, and when you combine that with the low amount of touches he gets, you have a player who isn't helping you offensively or defensively. When you bench him for 2 players who JV outplayed in the game in less minutes, you're basically killing his confidence, hard to bring energy every night when that happens.
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big boi wrote: View PostThere is no doubt in my mind that in the right situation JV could be a 20 and 10 guy. There is a lot of talk about him being "he is what he is". Well no. He isn't what he could be given patience, and the determination to develop him during the regular season. He has been very poorly developed. He was told he needed to beef up. He did. Then he was told he was too big and needed to slim down. He did that too. He is not involved in the offence except for when all else fails. Like last playoffs. Our team is not set up to pass in to the post. Demar is terrible at it. Kyle is good at it. Demarre not terrible either, but under DC it just isn't a priority to develop him. I feel bad for him. I think he's been very patient and had an excellent attitude considering. I'm just disappointed, it feels like a missed opportunity. I think Demar and Kyle could have better more open shots if JV was developed as an inside threat.
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slamdunk23 wrote: View PostEnes Kanter could be a 20 and 10 guy too if he was given mins and touches that doesn't mean he is a star player. JV is a very good offensive player and he should be given a couple more touches on offense especially in games where the rest of the offense was struggling like yesterday. The problem with his game is on the defensive end. He is one of the worst defensive centers in the league and I can't see him improving because of how slow and unathletic he is.
Kanter btw is a much better offensive player/more polished than JV. And he's a bench player for the Thunder.Mamba Mentality
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Kanter is a bad compare for JV. JV is pretty meh defensively overall, and definitely has his weaknesses. But Kanter is truly brutal - completely useless on that end. Kanter is indeed a slightly better (or at least more used and proven) offensive player, but overall is not nearly the same level of all around contributor as JV is due to his horrendous defence.
There's basically no evidence that JV is anywhere near a comparable defender to Kanter in any way that would relegate him to a career bench player like Kanter is.
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DanH wrote: View PostKanter is a bad compare for JV. JV is pretty meh defensively overall, and definitely has his weaknesses. But Kanter is truly brutal - completely useless on that end. Kanter is indeed a slightly better (or at least more used and proven) offensive player, but overall is not nearly the same level of all around contributor as JV is due to his horrendous defence.
There's basically no evidence that JV is anywhere near a comparable defender to Kanter in any way that would relegate him to a career bench player like Kanter is.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostIs Greg Monroe a better comparison or maybe Vuc?
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So it is fair to say both of those guys have been relegated to bench roles, but I don't think it's fair to say that's because of their style of play - they just aren't as good as JV, and talent is the ultimate differentiator in the NBA. They are both borderline starting quality players, so when their fit is questionable, they get booted to lesser roles. JV has established himself as a solid starter (who is elite at certain things), which is the difference.
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slamdunk23 wrote: View PostEnes Kanter could be a 20 and 10 guy too if he was given mins and touches that doesn't mean he is a star player. JV is a very good offensive player and he should be given a couple more touches on offense especially in games where the rest of the offense was struggling like yesterday. The problem with his game is on the defensive end. He is one of the worst defensive centers in the league and I can't see him improving because of how slow and unathletic he is.
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