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Uncle_Si wrote: View PostI miss Biyombo.... I understand the perceived value of Jv and his potential, but the raps are horrible at exploiting it. Biyombo is a better fit.
Btw, Orlando has both Biz and Ibaka and have pretty bad team D. Just throwing that out there.
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostIm really not convinced at all on this. Biz also benefitted from our better scheme last year and is a wholly worse/less productive player in just about every sense. If that's a "better fit" we should blow up the team now because lowering talent level with this kind of goal means there are big time failures happening somewhere in the organization (*cough* coaching staff *cough*), the kind that will prevent the team from accomplishing the only goal that matters.
Btw, Orlando has both Biz and Ibaka and have pretty bad team D. Just throwing that out there.
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Offensively, jv is a better player than Drummond but we don't really use jv. Drummond is better at screen assists, put backs/Orebs. Jv has a slight edge in pnr PPP. Jv is much better from range, FTs and post ups but we don't use him there.
However, we rely on jv on D on pretty much every possession that he's on the floor.
I think Drummond would be a net positive on this team, with this system/roster but wouldn't be such an improvement to warrant the deal, especially when you consider the $.
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostIm really not convinced at all on this. Biz also benefitted from our better scheme last year and is a wholly worse/less productive player in just about every sense. If that's a "better fit" we should blow up the team now because lowering talent level with this kind of goal means there are big time failures happening somewhere in the organization (*cough* coaching staff *cough*), the kind that will prevent the team from accomplishing the only goal that matters.
Btw, Orlando has both Biz and Ibaka and have pretty bad team D. Just throwing that out there.
Sent from my HTC One using TapatalkDanH wrote: View PostAnd Orlando is worse defensively with Biz on the floor than off it.
So, what's missing defensively in Orlando that Indy had? Is it Paul George and George Hill? If so, one conclusion you could draw is that solid perimeter defense at the point of attack may be more important than rim protection and recovery after penetration.
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lewro wrote: View PostOffensively, jv is a better player than Drummond but we don't really use jv. Drummond is better at screen assists, put backs/Orebs. Jv has a slight edge in pnr PPP. Jv is much better from range, FTs and post ups but we don't use him there.
However, we rely on jv on D on pretty much every possession that he's on the floor.
I think Drummond would be a net positive on this team, with this system/roster but wouldn't be such an improvement to warrant the deal, especially when you consider the $.
I agree that any improvement would be incremental, with the risk that there might be quite the opposite of improvement depending on the unknown consequences to the offence.
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white men can't jump wrote: View PostIm really not convinced at all on this. Biz also benefitted from our better scheme last year and is a wholly worse/less productive player in just about every sense. If that's a "better fit" we should blow up the team now because lowering talent level with this kind of goal means there are big time failures happening somewhere in the organization (*cough* coaching staff *cough*), the kind that will prevent the team from accomplishing the only goal that matters.
Btw, Orlando has both Biz and Ibaka and have pretty bad team D. Just throwing that out there.
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Thats not to say I'm against trading jv, but not just for the sake of it, and not for a rim protector that is absolutely useless on offense. Trade jv for a superstar, or all star, quasi star, even just if it's a deal that got us a better overall player in his age range or younger. But in some peoples preference just swapping him out for biz would be a regret long term, if for nothing else than we lost a good trade chip in that search for a star. And jv is still valued, 7 foot 24 year old that averages 12 and 10 very effieciently and just show up to work are still desired, believe it or notLast edited by KeonClark; Fri Jan 27, 2017, 04:58 PM.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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DanH wrote: View PostDrummond and JV post nearly identical per-36 screen assist numbers.
I agree that any improvement would be incremental, with the risk that there might be quite the opposite of improvement depending on the unknown consequences to the offence.
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ogi wrote: View PostWouldn't screen assists vary wildly based on your offensive system? I can't check the numbers now but I feel like as a team the raps live off of screen assists.
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JamesNaismith wrote: View PostWe need to trade JV while he still has some decent trade value, unfortunately he just doesn't fit this league and I think he could bring in some other player that could be of more benefit to us right now.
Frankly, I don't see the logic in him not fitting in this league in the first place, but the combination of opinions makes absolutely no sense.
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