Michael Jackson...

[bertarapsfan]

1. These guys have been on the outskirts of fame in the sleazy Hollywood life since kids

2. At the risk of sounding crass, we're in the #metoo era where anybody who claims victim to a famous person is hailed a hero

3. Netflix loves money. 10 years since jacko death time to reboot his name as they've done with other people become trendy..Escobar, Manson, Bundy, they love their infamous legends of generations past

4. They had 25 years to say something. And now that we're in these 3 steps combined, we get these shaky and flakey stories about masturbation and taking me up to the attic..nothing cooberated

5. Hes been supported by close friend cory Feldman, who was not too scared or embarrassed to admit he HAS been molested, but never by Michael Jackson

6. A previous accuser already admitted to lying. The FBI again found nothing over years of investigation. So we've reached a point where we're taking the word of 2 guys with shaky reputations over the feds and the court of law because...why? Why have we decided that their word is gospel?

The cory Feldman thing is the biggest sticking point to me. He knows all about the sick things that happen to kids in hollywood. Even claiming that his best friend was molested as a kid by someone powerful in hollywood that was to powerful to name without his own life being in jeopardy. Yet with all this knowledge of sick fucks in hollywood and the loss of his best friend due to abuse he chooses to defend micheal jackson. Like i said above i believe micheal was truly looking out for these young boys who were vulnerable like he was. He was protecting them from sickos and in return they turned around and accused him of the exact thing that he was trying to shield them from. He relationship with these kids was indeed close, because he cared about them, he saw himself in these young vulnerable boys and wanted to protect them making himself an easy target for those who did not approve of him shielding these boys from hollywood abusers.

[planetmars]

I recall Feldman speaking out against MJ when he was on trial back in the early 2000's. I guess his stance must have changed recently. I don't like that these guys released this documentary while MJ is dead. I mean what's the point? You're only going to be hurting his kids who I'm sure are either pissed off or going to have to go through their own therapy now.

It's not like the Cosby situation where the guy is still here and can still go to jail.

I'm no lawyer, but if MJ settled this case (which I believe he did).. how is it that these kids can talk about it? Wouldn't part of that settlement mean they can no longer bring it up? Or was their a statute of limitations or something around that?

The timing of this whole thing documentary is so strange. It's why I can't trust it myself either.

PS - the "This is It" documentary was pretty good. Wish he could have lived long enough to give us that performance he was putting together. It would have been epic.

[Superjudge]

Who cares.

[SkywalkerAC]

A few things on the timing:

1. They really didn't seem to want justice in the form of MJ actually going to jail. Robson said that Jail + Michael just didn't work in his mind, and there was just more reason to remain loyal while Jackson was living.The main justice they seem to be after is making up for the injustice caused by their former lies/perjury - to the kids that did speak up in the past.

2. The perjury, and the statute of limitations on it (not sure what that is), could have been a factor. You're not going to lie under oath and then turn around and recant when you might be eligible for felony charges at that time.

[KeonClark]

Who cares.

I mean, you're talking to a bunch of guys with thousands of posts about a basketball team. I don't think the importance of the discussion has ever stopped us

[SkywalkerAC]

I recall Feldman speaking out against MJ when he was on trial back in the early 2000's. I guess his stance must have changed recently. I don't like that these guys released this documentary while MJ is dead. I mean what's the point? You're only going to be hurting his kids who I'm sure are either pissed off or going to have to go through their own therapy now.

It's not like the Cosby situation where the guy is still here and can still go to jail.

I'm no lawyer, but if MJ settled this case (which I believe he did).. how is it that these kids can talk about it? Wouldn't part of that settlement mean they can no longer bring it up? Or was their a statute of limitations or something around that?

The kid he settled with in a civil suit for 20+ million was Gavin Arviso, who has all but gone into hiding I think, not these kids.

[Superjudge]

I mean, you're talking to a bunch of guys with thousands of posts about a basketball team. I don't think the importance of the discussion has ever stopped us

hahahahahahaha

[Miekenstien]

The kid he settled with in a civil suit for 20+ million was Gavin Arviso, who has all but gone into hiding I think, not these kids.

Was this the kid that saw his dick while he pissed?

[Apollo]

First off, I haven't seen the doc yet.

But I will ask why is it always the kids who come from ordinary homes who are middle class or lower who make the accusations? I mean Macaulay Culkin had no instances of anything going on. Corey Feldman spent a lot of time with MJ and is on record many times saying nothing happened. Neither of these gentleman will ever be hurting for money and Corey Feldman is a guy who's spoken out numerous times about child abuse in Hollywood. In particular abuses committed against him and his friend Haim. Who is it? It was a friend of theirs but not MJ.

I'm don't know what to believe with this one but just the accusations alone coming up over and over can't help but taint the man's reputation. He's never been found guilty of sexual offenses but yet they got Cosby, he clearly was up to no good and so I ask why couldn't they get MJ if he was truly guilty? I mean it's not like they didn't go after him every time someone pointed the finger. He was under siege by accusations, the feds and media for decades. He was a smooth criminal to get away with it, if true.

Did he have issues? Oh yeah, big time, he was off the wall but did he abuse kids? I don't know man. Either way, all the accusations ruined his music for me. Just the chance that it is true gives me the creeps and maybe that's not fair but it's human nature.

[KeonClark]

First off, I haven't seen the doc yet.

But I will ask why is it always the kids who come from ordinary homes who are middle class or lower who make the accusations? I mean Macaulay Culkin had no instances of anything going on. Corey Feldman spent a lot of time with MJ and is on record many times saying nothing happened. Neither of these gentleman will ever be hurting for money and Corey Feldman is a guy who's spoken out numerous times about child abuse in Hollywood. In particular abuses committed against him and his friend Haim. Who is it? It was a friend of theirs but not MJ.

I'm don't know what to believe with this one but just the accusations alone coming up over and over can't help but taint the man's reputation. He's never been found guilty of sexual offenses but yet they got Cosby, he clearly was up to no good and so I ask why couldn't they get MJ if he was truly guilty? I mean it's not like they didn't go after him every time someone pointed the finger. He was under siege by accusations, the feds and media for decades. He was a smooth criminal to get away with it, if true.

Did he have issues? Oh yeah, big time, he was off the wall but did he abuse kids? I don't know man. Either way, all the accusations ruined his music for me. Just the chance that it is true gives me the creeps and maybe that's not fair but it's human nature.

Yeah, but when that Billie Jean beat hits, and you're a few drinks deep and near a dance floor...

[Apollo]

Yeah, but when that Billie Jean beat hits, and you're a few drinks deep and near a dance floor...

But I survive on dance floors by blending into the crowd in order to hide my incredibly bad moves.

[SkywalkerAC]

First off, I haven't seen the doc yet.

But I will ask why is it always the kids who come from ordinary homes who are middle class or lower who make the accusations? I mean Macaulay Culkin had no instances of anything going on. Corey Feldman spent a lot of time with MJ and is on record many times saying nothing happened. Neither of these gentleman will ever be hurting for money and Corey Feldman is a guy who's spoken out numerous times about child abuse in Hollywood. In particular abuses committed against him and his friend Haim. Who is it? It was a friend of theirs but not MJ.

I'm don't know what to believe with this one but just the accusations alone coming up over and over can't help but taint the man's reputation. He's never been found guilty of sexual offenses but yet they got Cosby, he clearly was up to no good and so I ask why couldn't they get MJ if he was truly guilty? I mean it's not like they didn't go after him every time someone pointed the finger. He was under siege by accusations, the feds and media for decades. He was a smooth criminal to get away with it, if true.

Did he have issues? Oh yeah, big time, he was off the wall but did he abuse kids? I don't know man. Either way, all the accusations ruined his music for me. Just the chance that it is true gives me the creeps and maybe that's not fair but it's human nature.

Jackson almost definitely would have been found guilty if Wade Robson, from this documentary, hadn't been a star witness for the defense.

As for your question about class, I wouldn't be surprised if a kid from a middle class family is easier to groom than upper. They talk about it in the film - Michael was going to THEIR house for dinner, and the whole family bought into the fantasy.

The parents may have been savvier as well. And both Caulkin (who seems to have some issues as he's matured, though maybe just from the child stardom) and Feldman achieved enormous success in their own right, making it more difficult for Jackson to establish the kind of dependence needed for this kind of long-term grooming.

[NoPropsneeded]

Jackson almost definitely would have been found guilty if Wade Robson, from this documentary, hadn't been a star witness for the defense.

As for your question about class, I wouldn't be surprised if a kid from a middle class family is easier to groom than upper. They talk about it in the film - Michael was going to THEIR house for dinner, and the whole family bought into the fantasy.

The parents may have been savvier as well. And both Caulkin (who seems to have some issues as he's matured, though maybe just from the child stardom) and Feldman achieved enormous success in their own right, making it more difficult for Jackson to establish the kind of dependence needed for this kind of long-term grooming.

You're extremely gullible and fair weather if you just take the documentary as gospel. James Safechuck himself contradicted himself in the documentary, he claims he told his mother he was abused in 2005 and that his mother danced with joy when MJ died in 2009. But he has since claimed that he didn't realize it was abuse until he saw Robson being interviewed in 2013. So how exactly would you tell your mother you got abused if you didn't realize it until 2013, I smell bullshit.
Also Wade Robson dated MJ's niece for a long time, and he cheated on her with Brittany Spears, leading to Spears and Timberlake breaking up. This dudes a sleezebag, there's so many holes in the stories of these two phony's. This MeToo movement has a lot of liars coming out pointing fingers trynna cash out.

[NoPropsneeded]

Did you watch the Neverland doc? These people are seriously F'd up because of what that guy did. The parents are idiots for being seduced, but that dude was a sicko.

Don't fall for that BS man, there's tons of videos and documents online supporting MJ's innocence

[SkywalkerAC]