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  • slaw wrote: View Post

    I'm not sure it will have any affect on voting intentions - every election is driven by complicated factors. I do think it will have less obvious consequences.
    Like what?

    Also, I'm surprised you're suggesting that mood or current events impact on people's wallets has no impact on polling.

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    • Apollo wrote: View Post

      Like what?

      Also, I'm surprised you're suggesting that mood or current events impact on people's wallets has no impact on polling.
      Not adhering to future public health orders. Moving to less restrictive locales. Closing businesses rather than re-opening (I have some anecdotal knowledge of that). Not opening up new businesses. Or just a general distrust of government increasing, which has other consequences over time. Small example: I know a number of middle class families trying to get their kids into private schools/charter schools next year based on the performance of the public schools this spring.

      And it might affect voting and it might not. It's hard to tell as this is unprecedented in recent memory and there are always many factors at play. Federally in Canada, the Liberals have been laughably inept but the opposition parties are completely useless and it's hard to imagine the Torys under a Mackay or O'Toole doing much of anything differently. Perhaps if they had been out in front arguing for border closures, masks, testing, and offering alternative economic supports/plans then they might have distinguished themselves but they didn't do that.

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      • So today is the big vote for Trudeau. If Canada wins he has something vague to brag about. I'm not sure he's ever explained in detail why this is so important to him.

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        • slaw wrote: View Post
          Not adhering to future public health orders. Moving to less restrictive locales. Closing businesses rather than re-opening (I have some anecdotal knowledge of that). Not opening up new businesses. Or just a general distrust of government increasing, which has other consequences over time. Small example: I know a number of middle class families trying to get their kids into private schools/charter schools next year based on the performance of the public schools this spring.

          And it might affect voting and it might not. It's hard to tell as this is unprecedented in recent memory and there are always many factors at play. Federally in Canada, the Liberals have been laughably inept but the opposition parties are completely useless and it's hard to imagine the Torys under a Mackay or O'Toole doing much of anything differently. Perhaps if they had been out in front arguing for border closures, masks, testing, and offering alternative economic supports/plans then they might have distinguished themselves but they didn't do that.
          In this climate I'm no so sure many have the ability to just pack up and move to a less restrictive location. Desire probably isn't the deciding factor.

          People should never trust the government. It is every citizen's responsibility to think critically and ask questions. For the first time in history we have the power to easily voice concerns and organize.

          My wife and I have discussed the option of private schools and it is still an option that is on the table for us. We're not sure what we're going to do yet. Bureaucracy is always slow to move because bureaucracy has so many hoops and hurdles to get anything into place due to government policies, unions, etc. I think it's always going to be an issue when significant obstacles arise. Still, they really let us down.

          Personally, I think anyone who is dissatisfied with government should answer with their vote. Without doing that they're liars. Either they're lying to themselves or they're lying to their communities or both. There is more out there than Liberals and PC.

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          • Apollo wrote: View Post
            So today is the big vote for Trudeau. If Canada wins he has something vague to brag about. I'm not sure he's ever explained in detail why this is so important to him.
            Nope.. didn't get in:

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            • planetmars wrote: View Post

              Nope.. didn't get in:

              Well at least we can't stop hearing about this now.

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              • planetmars wrote: View Post

                Nope.. didn't get in:

                It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. The Liberals are completely inept. They are lucky their political opponents are just as incompetent. The fact he ran around the globe sending billions of our money to corrupt dictators to try and win this seat and still lost is maddening when we have about 1,000 things in this country the money could have been spent on to really improve people's lives.

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                • slaw wrote: View Post

                  It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. The Liberals are completely inept. They are lucky their political opponents are just as incompetent. The fact he ran around the globe sending billions of our money to corrupt dictators to try and win this seat and still lost is maddening when we have about 1,000 things in this country the money could have been spent on to really improve people's lives.
                  Billions? I think they spent $1.5M and that was far less than what most countries pay to get a nomination. Australia in 2012 spent under $25M.

                  It's a dumb nomination that doesn't mean anything. So easily a waste of $1.5M IMO. So still not a good look for him and his party.

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                  • planetmars wrote: View Post

                    Billions? I think they spent $1.5M and that was far less than what most countries pay to get a nomination. Australia in 2012 spent under $25M.

                    It's a dumb nomination that doesn't mean anything. So easily a waste of $1.5M IMO. So still not a good look for him and his party.
                    What did they promise in exchange for votes? It wasn't $1.5 million.

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                    • slaw wrote: View Post

                      What did they promise in exchange for votes? It wasn't $1.5 million.
                      'No seat, eat sheet' should be his policy.

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                      • At long last there is a mandate to have a long overdue foreign policy review.

                        There are some fences to be mended to our immediate south and in parts of Europe and in huge parts of Asia.
                        Then there is the sobering realization that we are nowhere or less than nowhere with the bully boy regime in Beijing. China policies are going to have to change after ad hoc trade restrictions and the ad hoc arrests of two nationals by the CCP and who sit in jail still.

                        At least show the courage to start down another path than the one that is leading in circles.

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                        • The left attacked Alan Bloom as a reactionary not cause he was wrong but because he was absolutely right. 33 years later The Closing of the American Mind is prophetic and I'm not sure there is another book to better describe what is happening in the West right now.

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                          • As fine an explanation as any...

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                            • A powerful essay about the US confederate monuments ... and their unpleasant meaning for many


                              By Caroline Randall Williams
                              • June 26, 2020
                              NASHVILLE — I have rape-colored skin. My light-brown-blackness is a living testament to the rules, the practices, the causes of the Old South.

                              If there are those who want to remember the legacy of the Confederacy, if they want monuments, well, then, my body is a monument. My skin is a monument.

                              Dead Confederates are honored all over this country — with cartoonish private statues, solemn public monuments and even in the names of United States Army bases. It fortifies and heartens me to witness the protests against this practice and the growing clamor from serious, nonpartisan public servants to redress it. But there are still those — like President Trump and the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell — who cannot understand the difference between rewriting and reframing the past. I say it is not a matter of “airbrushing” history, but of adding a new perspective.

                              I am a black, Southern woman, and of my immediate white male ancestors, all of them were rapists. My very existence is a relic of slavery and Jim Crow.
                              According to the rule of hypodescent (the social and legal practice of assigning a genetically mixed-race person to the race with less social power) I am the daughter of two black people, the granddaughter of four black people, the great-granddaughter of eight black people. Go back one more generation and it gets less straightforward, and more sinister. As far as family history has always told, and as modern DNA testing has allowed me to confirm, I am the descendant of black women who were domestic servants and white men who raped their help.

                              It is an extraordinary truth of my life that I am biologically more than half white, and yet I have no white people in my genealogy in living memory. No. Voluntary. Whiteness. I am more than half white, and none of it was consensual. White Southern men — my ancestors — took what they wanted from women they did not love, over whom they had extraordinary power, and then failed to claim their children.

                              What is a monument but a standing memory? An artifact to make tangible the truth of the past. My body and blood are a tangible truth of the South and its past. The black people I come from were owned by the white people I come from. The white people I come from fought and died for their Lost Cause. And I ask you now, who dares to tell me to celebrate them? Who dares to ask me to accept their mounted pedestals?

                              You cannot dismiss me as someone who doesn’t understand. You cannot say it wasn’t my family members who fought and died. My blackness does not put me on the other side of anything. It puts me squarely at the heart of the debate. I don’t just come from the South. I come from Confederates. I’ve got rebel-gray blue blood coursing my veins. My great-grandfather Will was raised with the knowledge that Edmund Pettus was his father. Pettus, the storied Confederate general, the grand dragon of the Ku Klux Klan, the man for whom Selma’s Bloody Sunday Bridge is named. So I am not an outsider who makes these demands. I am a great-great-granddaughter.

                              And here I’m called to say that there is much about the South that is precious to me. I do my best teaching and writing here. There is, however, a peculiar model of Southern pride that must now, at long last, be reckoned with.

                              This is not an ignorant pride but a defiant one. It is a pride that says, “Our history is rich, our causes are justified, our ancestors lie beyond reproach.” It is a pining for greatness, if you will, a wish again for a certain kind of American memory. A monument-worthy memory.

                              But here’s the thing: Our ancestors don’t deserve your unconditional pride. Yes, I am proud of every one of my black ancestors who survived slavery. They earned that pride, by any decent person’s reckoning. But I am not proud of the white ancestors whom I know, by virtue of my very existence, to be bad actors.

                              Among the apologists for the Southern cause and for its monuments, there are those who dismiss the hardships of the past. They imagine a world of benevolent masters, and speak with misty eyes of gentility and honor and the land. They deny plantation rape, or explain it away, or question the degree of frequency with which it occurred.

                              To those people it is my privilege to say, I am proof. I am proof that whatever else the South might have been, or might believe itself to be, it was and is a space whose prosperity and sense of romance and nostalgia were built upon the grievous exploitation of black life.

                              The dream version of the Old South never existed. Any manufactured monument to that time in that place tells half a truth at best. The ideas and ideals it purports to honor are not real. To those who have embraced these delusions: Now is the time to re-examine your position.

                              Either you have been blind to a truth that my body’s story forces you to see, or you really do mean to honor the oppressors at the expense of the oppressed, and you must at last acknowledge your emotional investment in a legacy of hate.

                              Either way, I say the monuments of stone and metal, the monuments of cloth and wood, all the man-made monuments, must come down. I defy any sentimental Southerner to defend our ancestors to me. I am quite literally made of the reasons to strip them of their laurels.


                              Caroline Randall Williams (@caroranwill) is the author of “Lucy Negro, Redux” and “Soul Food Love,” and a writer in residence at Vanderbilt University.

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                              • Will the GOP ever recover, they are currently an absolute clusterfuck: https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...054877697?s=19

                                Most important thing for a healthy democracy is at least 2 quality choices. Party leadership is huge. Really hope Canadian CP picks somebody solid. Give people a choice.
                                "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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