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  • Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

    Those assholes Butts and Trudeau and Teleford are killing Canadian prosperity.
    My last post on this subject... you just have a permanent burr about the above which must be awfully painful. And I thought I am bad on that FF to the south. I am sorry. I can't fight that and the notion that you believe that this is a malicious and purposeful policy (without reason) ... that whatever impact felt by the regulations you cite is mitigated by less pollutants into the atmosphere we contribute as a country.

    The "ubiquitous" country list was meant only to project the big picture attributed to this country internationally. It is not nothing. I have spoken to the Venezuela morass previously and do not wish to repeat myself except to touch on the "socialism" tag you dropped. That list again... have a count of the countries on it which have a healthy blend of socialism & capitalism in their public and fiscal policies ... which places checks and balances on each other.

    On prosperity... and of course you mean financial? I cannot help but point out once again that deniers (or pseudo ones) have only this to point to in this argument. That all of the fires, hurricanes, smog, water etc impacted by pollutants and CC have no financial impact... seems to be completely lost.

    And just to be provincial once more, AB is still the wealthiest per capita income earner in the country. And I notice that oil production in Canada is expected to rise ... according to the EIA International Energy Outlook 2019, Canada's production could double by 2050, rising 126%. So take it easy on B,T & T ...ok?

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    • jimmie wrote: View Post

      Capitalism uber alles. Pretty much says it all.
      LOL, this is silly. Your side is the one that is pushing ideology above all else. Your side is the one willing to sacrifice at the altar of your new religion environmentalism. We're the pragmatists, you're the zealots.

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      • slaw wrote: View Post

        LOL, this is silly. Your side is the one that is pushing ideology above all else. Your side is the one willing to sacrifice at the altar of your new religion environmentalism. We're the pragmatists, you're the zealots.
        No, "my side" - which represents the majority of humans on planet earth - is pushing science, not ideology.
        Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.

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        • jimmie wrote: View Post

          No, "my side" - which represents the majority of humans on planet earth - is pushing science, not ideology.
          It's like arguing with Flat Earthers. Probably best to just leave them be.
          Last edited by Joey; Thu Oct 31st, 2019, 12:17 PM.

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          • i don't know where you guys found a world population group big enough to claim the majority of humans on earth, since most canadians even voted against your side. those are real big science claims. science doesn't run on maybes, probablys, and potentiallys. it runs on absolutes, absolutes that no one can prove right now, and the same people said with the exact same sincerity and self assuredness of the exact opposite happening. it does help world government control everything and everyone though, and it sure helps communism.

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            • jimmie wrote: View Post

              No, "my side" - which represents the majority of humans on planet earth - is pushing science, not ideology.
              Again, the lack of self-awareness is amazing (but not surprising).

              We represent humanity and you don't! You are deniers and flat-earthers, only we know the true path to the future!

              To paraphrase Joey, it's like arguing with religious zealots, except we can't let you be cause you won't leave the rest of us alone....

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                • "The
                  most terrifying words
                  in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help" - Ronald Reagan.

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                  • slaw wrote: View Post
                    "The
                    most terrifying words
                    in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help" - Ronald Reagan.
                    Nah.

                    The most edifying words are .... "We are from the government and we are here to help put out the fire at the Reagan Library".

                    Oct. 30th, LA Fire Dept.

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                    • jimmie wrote: View Post

                      No, "my side" - which represents the majority of humans on planet earth - is pushing science, not ideology.
                      I think the view you advocate for is climate religion rather than science.

                      If one is not swaddled in the cloak of climate religion the label bestowed on those who oppose is climate denier rather than the preferred religious slur of heretic.

                      Encana leaving is much like Martin Luther nailing his 95 thesis’s to the door of 24 Sussex Drive.

                      Those are for for real jobs leaving..not the fake ones that never left SNC.


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                      • Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

                        I think the view you advocate for is climate religion rather than science.

                        If one is not swaddled in the cloak of climate religion the label bestowed on those who oppose is climate denier rather than the preferred religious slur of heretic.

                        Encana leaving is much like Martin Luther nailing his 95 thesis’s to the door of 24 Sussex Drive.

                        Those are for for real jobs leaving..not the fake ones that never left SNC.

                        Encana lost more money faster under Harper than under Notley (provincially) or Trudeau. They had projects permitted in Canada (for LNG, I believe) that they built and abandoned. They split off Cenovus (integrated oil and gas biz line) - their most lucrative business line then and now. 2015 oil prices forced these moves, not Cdn government regulation. Blame the market, no Trudeau. Encana's issues as an organization go back farther than that (I'm not even mentioning the lawsuits, the land sale rigging...). It's not a bellwether -- at least any more than seeing many previously oil-dependent businesses now changing course to ensure their future financial viability (Daimler Chrysler jumps to mind as a most recent example, but even some of your oil company pals are doing the same).

                        See: Diversification is good for business -- and good for the planet!

                        As for science vs. religion, we'll agree to disagree. Got any data that suggests the climate science is wrong? I mean, data that can be corroborated by more than 1% of scientists? Religion seems to me to be more the 'act of faith' side of the equation: in other words, you seem to have an awful lot of unfounded faith that climate science is overly pessimistic and that we all have nothing to worry about.

                        Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.

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                        • Bendit wrote: View Post

                          My last post on this subject... you just have a permanent burr about the above which must be awfully painful. And I thought I am bad on that FF to the south. I am sorry. I can't fight that and the notion that you believe that this is a malicious and purposeful policy (without reason) ... that whatever impact felt by the regulations you cite is mitigated by less pollutants into the atmosphere we contribute as a country.

                          The "ubiquitous" country list was meant only to project the big picture attributed to this country internationally. It is not nothing. I have spoken to the Venezuela morass previously and do not wish to repeat myself except to touch on the "socialism" tag you dropped. That list again... have a count of the countries on it which have a healthy blend of socialism & capitalism in their public and fiscal policies ... which places checks and balances on each other.

                          On prosperity... and of course you mean financial? I cannot help but point out once again that deniers (or pseudo ones) have only this to point to in this argument. That all of the fires, hurricanes, smog, water etc impacted by pollutants and CC have no financial impact... seems to be completely lost.

                          And just to be provincial once more, AB is still the wealthiest per capita income earner in the country. And I notice that oil production in Canada is expected to rise ... according to the EIA International Energy Outlook 2019, Canada's production could double by 2050, rising 126%. So take it easy on B,T & T ...ok?
                          The offset to watching Trudeau and Butts cut off the left arm of one of the engines of Canadian prosperity is less pollutants in the air. Yet these same two high priests of Climate Evangelism happily sell coal to China who powers their infrastructure off of a far dirtier source of energy than oil or LNG. China releases more pollutants in a month than Canada might in a decade.

                          Both Shrewd and Hypocritical on the dynamic duos part eh?

                          Happy your done defending the indefensible.

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                          • jimmie wrote: View Post

                            Encana lost more money faster under Harper than under Notley (provincially) or Trudeau. They had projects permitted in Canada (for LNG, I believe) that they built and abandoned. They split off Cenovus (integrated oil and gas biz line) - their most lucrative business line then and now. 2015 oil prices forced these moves, not Cdn government regulation. Blame the market, no Trudeau. Encana's issues as an organization go back farther than that (I'm not even mentioning the lawsuits, the land sale rigging...). It's not a bellwether -- at least any more than seeing many previously oil-dependent businesses now changing course to ensure their future financial viability (Daimler Chrysler jumps to mind as a most recent example, but even some of your oil company pals are doing the same).

                            See: Diversification is good for business -- and good for the planet!

                            As for science vs. religion, we'll agree to disagree. Got any data that suggests the climate science is wrong? I mean, data that can be corroborated by more than 1% of scientists? Religion seems to me to be more the 'act of faith' side of the equation: in other words, you seem to have an awful lot of unfounded faith that climate science is overly pessimistic and that we all have nothing to worry about.
                            Ah yes..It’s Harpers fault.

                            I too think the auto maker Daimler can produce luxury German built electric cars as well as internal combustion ones. Just a question but what’s the green plan to recycle all those lithium batteries from all those electric cars? Blue bins or are you going to dump them down mine shafts in La Sarre or Rouyn Noranda? Only 12 years to find out from the latest”scientific” projections from the climate clergy.

                            If both Bombardier and Pratt and Whitney left Montreal due to government policy that targetted the aviation industry because the downstream emissions of their products were deemed to be harmful to the planet what would Montreal and Quebec diversify to in the next 24 months to offset ?

                            I think they would scream bloody blue murder....just like the guys in the west are doing.

                            As for bad business management...Have to think the bi-annual bailout of bombardier is what? ..a couple months away.


                            Last edited by Demographic Shift; Thu Oct 31st, 2019, 04:55 PM.

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                            • Demographic Shift wrote: View Post

                              Ah yes..It’s Harpers fault.

                              If both Bombardier and Pratt and Whitney left Montreal due to government policy that targetted the aviation industry because the downstream emissions of their products were deemed to be harmful to the planet what would Montreal and Quebec diversify to in the next 24 months to offset ?

                              I think they would scream bloody blue murder....just like the guys in the west are doing.

                              As for bad business management...Have to think the bi-annual bailout of bombardier is what? ..a couple months away.
                              Hey, it’s fine to scream bloody murder. The situation sucks. It’s normal and natural to be pissed. Doesn’t mean you need to blame someone, or worse, the wrong people.

                              i never blamed Harper. In fact, I expressly said blame the market. All you can do is deflect.

                              I think it was Apollo who said a while back that Thunberg is going to lose because her message is too negative, that she should try to “sell” climate science to detractors. Might hold true for the oil clingers, too.
                              Definition of Statistics: The science of producing unreliable facts from reliable figures.

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                              • jimmie wrote: View Post

                                Hey, it’s fine to scream bloody murder. The situation sucks. It’s normal and natural to be pissed. Doesn’t mean you need to blame someone, or worse, the wrong people.

                                i never blamed Harper. In fact, I expressly said blame the market. All you can do is deflect.

                                I think it was Apollo who said a while back that Thunberg is going to lose because her message is too negative, that she should try to “sell” climate science to detractors. Might hold true for the oil clingers, too.
                                The killing of the Energy East pipeline, the Northern gateway pipeline and the ever so long judicial appellate process with TMX lay at the feet of one Justin Trudeau. No where else. That weasel Lametti never even showed up to last June at the federal court of appeal to contest yet more litigation on the 4.5$B asset the taxpayers own. Did he forget or maybe his calander was messed up and he missed it?

                                Again...The Liberal Party of Canada under the energy stewardship of Butts and Teleford and Trudeau has knowingly engaged on a path towards the systemic dismantling of the primary industry of a province for no demonstrable tangible gain to the country as a whole.

                                and if we are discussing it on a basketball sports forum you can reasonably expect that sphincters, both upper and lower, are tightening at a rapid rate in the west block as this epically flawed energy policy flames out on a Hindenburg like scale.

                                With this announcement Skippy Trudeau is having a worse day than Bryce Harper.
                                Last edited by Demographic Shift; Thu Oct 31st, 2019, 06:50 PM.

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