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  • I can't keep up with all the variables in testing. We can't even make good direct comparisons between provinces, let alone between countries - too many factors differ (known policy/implementation differences and unknown 'what ifs' that swing the stats widely). I know the concern is the lag, but hospitalizations and mortalities per capita seem like the most important and most reliable measures to me.
    "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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    • There are now more recorded cases of COVID-19 in the White House than in New Zealand, Taiwan, and Vietnam combined, and they have 124 million people.

      Let that sink in.
      We heard from his most reliable “Osteopath” personal physician, not an Internist, not a Pulmonologist, not an Infectious Disease specialist and not even an Epidemiologist but a D.O. that the living and walking contagion can not wait to go back to the petri dish where he came from. But prior to that a joy ride inside a positive pressure vehicle just for a photo op for his cult followers showing that he is a “strong man” was the most pressing need. Even Kim straight from the DMZ would be envious to that.

      I like the optimism.

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      • SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post

        Are you saying that the fatality rate is actually MUCH higher?
        I didn't say anything. Rather, I don't think the article is trying to convey that. I think it's alluding to how serious an infected person is based on the viral load.

        I.e. the person may still have some of covid-19 in their system, but not enough to be sick or even transmit it.

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        • suspenders wrote: View Post

          I didn't say anything. Rather, I don't think the article is trying to convey that. I think it's alluding to how serious an infected person is based on the viral load.

          I.e. the person may still have some of covid-19 in their system, but not enough to be sick or even transmit it.
          Is a high viral load linked to higher risk of severe pneumonia or death?

          Intuitively it might make sense to say the more virus, the worse the disease. But in reality the situation is more complicated.

          In the case of the original SARS or influenza, whether a person develops mild symptoms or pneumonia depends not only on how much virus is in their lungs, but also on their immune response and their overall health.

          Right now it is unclear whether the SARS-CoV-2 viral load can tell us who will get severe pneumonia. Two studies in The Lancet reported people who develop more severe pneumonia tend to have, on average, higher viral loads when they are first admitted to the hospital.

          These studies also reported that the viral loads remain higher for more days in patients with more severe disease. However, the difference was not dramatic, and people with similar viral loads went on to develop both mild and severe disease.

          Complicating the picture further, otherstudies found that some asymptomatic patients had similar viral loads to patients with COVID-19 symptoms. This means that the viral load alone is not a clear predictor of disease outcome.

          Another common question is whether getting a higher virus dose upon infection – for example, through prolonged exposure to an infected person, like health care workers’ experience – will result in more severe disease. Right now, we simply do not know whether this is the case.
          The most powerful leader of the freeworld in his video message yesterday told his cult followers that he learned a lot about Covid, like going to school. Yet right after that, endangered the life of his secret service who was with him in a “positive pressure” environment inside a sealed vehicle.

          The microcosm of his Mis-management of the Virus. He knew all along on Feb. 7 that the virus is more deadlier than that of a common flu based on his audio conversation with Woodward but continued to negate the ugly truth just to rally the cult members for his re-election From that point until, The Rose Garden event, on the debate stage, his fundraiser in New Jersey, his Marine One ride with Hicks and until yesterday’s JOY RIDE.

          The Narcissist and the Pathological Liar never cared and will never learn.

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          • The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post



            The most powerful leader of the freeworld in his video message yesterday told his cult followers that he learned a lot about Covid, like going to school. Yet right after that, endangered the life of his secret service who was with him in a “positive pressure” environment inside a sealed vehicle.

            The microcosm of his Mis-management of the Virus. He knew all along on Feb. 7 that the virus is more deadlier than that of a common flu based on his audio conversation with Woodward but continued to negate the ugly truth just to rally the cult members for his re-election From that point until, The Rose Garden event, on the debate stage, his fundraiser in New Jersey, his Marine One ride with Hicks and until yesterday’s JOY RIDE.

            The Narcissist and the Pathological Liar never cared and will never learn.
            Like his brain dead cult followers need any more horrible motivation to do what they are doing. Trump just tweeted "Don’t be afraid of Covid(while in the hospital). Don’t let it dominate your life." because if you do get it, you can get over it in just a weekend like I did." No biggie. His words will lead to the deaths of thousands more Americans,

            Trump is sick and anyone who believes otherwise is sick in the head also. Guy is a cult leader and his followers drink all his dangerous koolaid with a grin and smile.
            Mamba Mentality

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            • The Great One wrote: View Post

              Like his brain dead cult followers need any more horrible motivation to do what they are doing. Trump just tweeted "Don’t be afraid of Covid(while in the hospital). Don’t let it dominate your life." because if you do get it, you can get over it in just a weekend like I did." No biggie. His words will lead to the deaths of thousands more Americans,

              Trump is sick and anyone who believes otherwise is sick in the head also. Guy is a cult leader and his followers drink all his dangerous koolaid with a grin and smile.
              We should not be afraid of COVID and you should not let it dominate your life. Unless you are over 60 and/or have particular health issues, in which case you should also not live in fear or let it dominate your life but take sensible precautions (as most people with those health issues already do during doing flu and cold season). If you are afraid of it then you are, of course, free to stay home and not interact with people but the vast majority of people will go on about their business.

              If it makes you feel better, just imagine he's saying it's okay to go out and protest in the streets with thousands of other people for months.
              Last edited by slaw; Mon Oct 5, 2020, 03:31 PM.

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              • KeonClark wrote: View Post

                Doctors saying fastest recovery ever!
                Yuuuuge fast....

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                • slaw don't live in fear.... but respect your community and the people around you and listen to the public health guidelines. Covid-19 is still more deadly and more contagious than the flu, it's your civic duty and respect for the people around you to limit the spread.

                  Trump down playing Covid-19 is asinine, I knew this was going to be the outcome of this.

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                  • Same rhetoric spewed by his ever loyal press secretary who by the way is a healthy 32 year old with no co-morbidity Ms. Kayleigh McEnany.

                    Always twisting the truth to satisfy the narrative that this Deadly Virus has already KILLED 200 thousand plus Americans and many more around the world.

                    Now she is positive Of Covid-19.

                    Yup be not afraid. Lol

                    p.s. There will be always a portion of the population who still believe in the twisted truth. They are the loss cause I said so no need to even debate with. No point of convincing.

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                    • The Claw Reborn wrote: View Post

                      Two things that will come out of this, what he will say to his CULT followers:

                      Option 1: The Humility and We Have to Follow Science Version - “Take this virus very seriously, wear masks because I myself was vulnerable especially because I have the risk factors one of which I am MORBIDLY OBESE and got infected, this is not a hoax, I was wrong all along”

                      Or

                      Option 2: I am still dumb, stupid and dont care about this “disgusting” people - “I was right, it was just a flu, I recovered quickly and I survived it, now you can all go party”
                      Cult Leader chose Option 2

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                      • saints91 wrote: View Post
                        slaw don't live in fear.... but respect your community and the people around you and listen to the public health guidelines. Covid-19 is still more deadly and more contagious than the flu, it's your civic duty and respect for the people around you to limit the spread.

                        Trump down playing Covid-19 is asinine, I knew this was going to be the outcome of this.
                        It's Trump, his rhetoric is always going to be over the top. It's who he is. But it isn't going to make any different to the virus, which is with us to say (forever) and people need to weigh the risks for themselves as they have always done. One should not go out of one's way to get sick but there are a lot of people who have simply gone mad with fear over this and that has lots of second and third order effects that are lost in the hysteria.

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                        • saints91 wrote: View Post
                          slaw don't live in fear.... but respect your community and the people around you and listen to the public health guidelines. Covid-19 is still more deadly and more contagious than the flu, it's your civic duty and respect for the people around you to limit the spread.

                          Trump down playing Covid-19 is asinine, I knew this was going to be the outcome of this.
                          More contagious? Yes. More deadly? Disputable. Right now official numbers is 4% mortality, but just today WHO estimates cases to be 20x higher than official count (scary!), but..brings mortality to 0.2% (flu/pneumonia!)
                          It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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                          • KeonClark wrote: View Post

                            More contagious? Yes. More deadly? Disputable. Right now official numbers is 4% mortality, but just today WHO estimates cases to be 20x higher than official count (scary!), but..brings mortality to 0.2% (flu/pneumonia!)
                            This is fantastic news, if the WHO is correct.

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                            • If you're hospitalized with COVID-19 and don't have insurance, you'll likely owe $73,000. One chart shows how broken the system is for the most vulnerable.
                              Unlike in society with socialized medicine, ordinary American are so fucked financially the moment they get the severity of the virus.

                              Cult leader paid $750.00 taxes in 2016 but has gotten world class therapeutics and an expensive per diem hospitalization.

                              Yet Supremo, tweeted to be not afraid of the virus.

                              A black/ brown dude living in the projects may have to start shopping around for the most cheapest niche and a small box where his family can put his ashes right now.

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                              • Reality TV Show vs. the Daily Reality of American Life in the Eyes of the Vulnerable and the Poor.

                                Why the NBA players are so passionate to tell people to go out and Vote from Top to down ballot. People lives are at stake.

                                The fortunate ones using their powerful voices as advocates to their lesser brothers. A chain is as strong as its weakest link.

                                So fuck Supremo because he never cared and will continue to not care.

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