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  • inthepaint wrote: View Post

    Oh yeah I know where to find the active cases numbers (that website you linked is really good). It's just that's a number that doesn't get as much attention overall . The higher number will always be the scarier one for the single-mother or senior citizen trying to survive and make sense of it all. So that's the one that will be on the headline. It's a number that will always increase more compared to net active cases.

    Unfortunately, at least at this stage, you're not gonna see online or on the press that 100,000+ (the difference between these numbers you gave) have now recovered, developed a natural immunity for the strain they got, and are now out of the equation for COVID19 for this season (they won't contract it again, spread it, or die from it). That's too positive and against the the overall tone in the press.
    Has it already been confirmed that people will build an immunity to it?

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    • golden wrote: View Post

      The weaknesses of democracy, freedom and people's rights are getting pushed to the extreme these days.
      It's more than freedom and people's rights. Its that little issue of money..even though the world stopped, Bills didnt, and most middle class people push expenses as high as they can for all these luxuries we choose to have and government handouts arent enough for them to survive.
      It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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      • Yeah it's corruption, it's politics, it's their broken health care system, it's even the issue of states rights - states are flat out ignoring the president and doing whatever they want, some are taking this seriously and some seem to not care unless the look bad on Twitter. It's a mess.
        "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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        • S.R. wrote: View Post
          Yeah it's corruption, it's politics, it's their broken health care system, it's even the issue of states rights - states are flat out ignoring the president and doing whatever they want, some are taking this seriously and some seem to not care unless the look bad on Twitter. It's a mess.
          It's the United States of America for a reason. Not every state can or will take the same steps nor should they. What is required in NYC is not necessarily required in Idaho (for obvious reasons).

          As for corruption and politics, the current relief bill working through parliament gives the government unfettered power to spend as much money as possible for 18 months without review, disclosure or accountability to any person it deems. It also previously gave the Liberals the power to tax at will without parliamentary approval (though even that was too much for the NDP/BQ/Greens to stomach). And as for the US's broken health care system, you need look no further than likely your local hospital to understand why in Canada we are doing what we are doing: our system is not prepare for and cannot handle a disaster.

          We all have our problems.

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          • I still would like to understand what is happening in Italy. Now, we obviously will never know the truth about places like China and Iran but every other western or western-influenced country has managed to deal with this so far without the staggering death tolls. And, from what I can tell, most of it is happening in a few places and not the whole country. Something has seriously gone wrong.

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            • nubreed000 wrote: View Post

              Has it already been confirmed that people will build an immunity to it?
              That's how every virus works; it is the principle through which vaccines are made - exposing the patients to viral components in an attenuated form to prompt the patient's own immune system to prevent a second infection to take hold. Exposures to the actual virus are supposed to be even more effective in developing an immunity to later infections. The problem with flu-type virus like this is that they can mutate a lot (that's why the seasonal flu shot is a yearly thing as opposed to, say, polio where you need to take only once in life and maybe a booster later on), but individuals should develop an immunity for the specific strain they caught after they recover.

              That question is not raised much in the media though, because if that's indeed the case, it would be a positive development. They don't want to have positive takes on this right now because since the government haven't forcibly quarantined everyone yet, they have to rely on scaring people into staying home. That's been the tactic worldwide. Certain countries/societies are used to that. However, in free societies as ours that's less common, so more people struggle with it.
              Last edited by inthepaint; Tue Mar 24, 2020, 02:18 PM.
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              • WestJet just halved its workforce.

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                • slaw wrote: View Post

                  It's the United States of America for a reason. Not every state can or will take the same steps nor should they. What is required in NYC is not necessarily required in Idaho (for obvious reasons).

                  As for corruption and politics, the current relief bill working through parliament gives the government unfettered power to spend as much money as possible for 18 months without review, disclosure or accountability to any person it deems. It also previously gave the Liberals the power to tax at will without parliamentary approval (though even that was too much for the NDP/BQ/Greens to stomach). And as for the US's broken health care system, you need look no further than likely your local hospital to understand why in Canada we are doing what we are doing: our system is not prepare for and cannot handle a disaster.

                  We all have our problems.
                  Oh for sure we all have problems, glass houses and all that. The US situation is going to impact us being right next door, though. And the conflict of interest between private money and public politics exists everywhere, but is absolutely at a whole higher level in the US than in Canada. It's a matter of degrees but that doesn't make the differences insignificant.

                  All Canadian provinces and territories are taking this response far more seriously than several of the US' most populous states. That's not even debatable right now and it's going to have a massive impact over the coming weeks, unfortunately. The most vulnerable people in the US are going to get the worst of this.
                  "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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                  • slaw wrote: View Post

                    It's the United States of America for a reason. Not every state can or will take the same steps nor should they. What is required in NYC is not necessarily required in Idaho (for obvious reasons).

                    As for corruption and politics, the current relief bill working through parliament gives the government unfettered power to spend as much money as possible for 18 months without review, disclosure or accountability to any person it deems. It also previously gave the Liberals the power to tax at will without parliamentary approval (though even that was too much for the NDP/BQ/Greens to stomach). And as for the US's broken health care system, you need look no further than likely your local hospital to understand why in Canada we are doing what we are doing: our system is not prepare for and cannot handle a disaster.

                    We all have our problems.
                    Remember when our biggest national problem was Don Cherry chastising "you people" for not wearing poppies? Ahhh... the good old days!

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                    • golden wrote: View Post

                      Remember when our biggest national problem was Don Cherry chastising "you people" for not wearing poppies? Ahhh... the good old days!
                      You people should all wash your hands
                      It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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                      • inthepaint wrote: View Post

                        That's how every virus works; it is the principle through which vaccines are made - exposing the patients to viral components in an attenuated form to prompt the patient's own immune system to prevent a second infection to take hold. Exposures to the actual virus are supposed to be even more effective in developing an immunity to later infections. The problem with flu-type virus like this is that they can mutate a lot (that's why the seasonal flu shot is a yearly thing as opposed to, say, polio where you need to take only once in life and maybe a booster later on), but individuals should develop an immunity for the specific strain they caught after they recover.

                        That question is not raised much in the media though, because if that's indeed the case, it would be a positive development. They don't want to have positive takes on this right now because since the government haven't forcibly quarantined everyone yet, they have to rely on scaring people into staying home. That's been the tactic worldwide. Certain countries/societies are used to that. However, in free societies as ours that's less common, so more people struggle with it.
                        But then you also have colds, which is part of the coronavirus family too, and people are not immune to that. They just fight it off.

                        I'm basing my skepticism on this article: https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...onavirus/2/#h6

                        I know that with the flu, they inject you with a "dead" version of the strain they THINK will be circulating that year to prep your body from it. But from what I've gathered thus far, nobody truly knows what will happen with this new virus and how our bodies will adapt, and how long the potential immunity will last.

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                        • More than 86,000 people worldwide have now recovered from the lung disease COVID-19. In those cases, the infection manifested itself in mild to moderate form, or it is because these patients received excellent medical care.
                          Now researchers in Hong Kong have said that recovered coronavirus patients can be left with damaged lungs.

                          A small study of 12 patients discharged from hospital showed that two or three had reduced lung function. However, it is too early to confirm any long-term effects.

                          "In some patients, lung function could decline by about 20 to 30% after recovery," says Dr. Owen Tsang Tak-yin, medical director of the Infectious Diseases Centre at Princess Margaret Hospital in Hong Kong.
                          Are recovered COVID-19 patients immune?

                          The majority of virologists are convinced that recovered COVID-19 patients are immune to the new SARS-CoV-2 virus after the infection has run its course. After all, the body's own immune system has produced precisely those antibodies during the infection that render the pathogen harmless.

                          This all-clear also applies to those who had only a weak course of the disease and showed ofew to no symptoms. Nevertheless, their immune systems reacted to the pathogen and produced the corresponding antibodies. A renewed infection with the new coronavirus is therefore highly unlikely.
                          Article was posted on 20th.
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                          • golden wrote: View Post

                            Remember when our biggest national problem was Don Cherry chastising "you people" for not wearing poppies? Ahhh... the good old days!
                            My Dad has jokingly said for a few years that we need a famine. His point was that there are real disasters that can actually kill people that we don't take seriously enough cause we are so focused on bullshit problems used to push the agendas of radicals and fools.

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                            • A healthy child has passed away from coronavirus in Los Angeles.

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                              • nubreed000 wrote: View Post

                                Has it already been confirmed that people will build an immunity to it?
                                There are few cases where re-infection happened, but it's unclear at the moment if it was due to immunity shedding or some medical errors.

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