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  • inthepaint wrote: View Post

    That video is unrelated to this thread (coronavirus)
    is it? i just finished standing in a bread line. why is all our answers to this problem "more socialism" then? why is any other option not a good idea? because to me it seems like this virus is kind of kind of giving a bunch of people what they wanted to do without having to have the pesky populace vote for it.

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    • https://ca.news.yahoo.com/coronaviru...082417857.html

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      • inthepaint wrote: View Post

        Yep, lowest price since 1986. It had been going down long before this though. We've long been spitting on and vilifying this natural resource that we've been given and that've always fed us . Covid was just the knock out blow.
        Isn't the real issue oversupply? If the international oil cartel of world governments doesn't coordinate on supply, prices crater. It's an artificial industry that's run by OPEC, Russia, and the US. Which is a pretty good argument for Alberta to diversify as Canadian oil is generally expensive to produce and we're one of the first casualties when prices drop.

        It's an incredible industry to profit from but a volatile one to depend on.
        "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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        • Miekenstien wrote: View Post

          is it? i just finished standing in a bread line. why is all our answers to this problem "more socialism" then? why is any other option not a good idea? because to me it seems like this virus is kind of kind of giving a bunch of people what they wanted to do without having to have the pesky populace vote for it.
          Well, the video doesn't talk about covid or the lockdown related to it, it talks about a socialist guy being put on the spot (which I gotta admit, I enjoyed it). And yes I'm of the opinion that socialism is bad, it never worked anywhere and it never will. It's a great video for the politics thread.

          I just think for now what people gotta do is put political labels aside for a bit, look at this thing rationally, regardless of how you vote, and start weighing the cost of the lockdown vs its benefits. I find that opinions carry more weight if they don't come loaded with bias from someone wearing a Greta Thumberg shirt or a red "Make America great again" hat. If people start digging on their right and left heels, then this will become another politicized gridlock not going very far. Just my take.
          2019 NBA Champions. Glad to have doubted the doubters.

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          • inthepaint wrote: View Post

            Well, the video doesn't talk about covid or the lockdown related to it, it talks about a socialist guy being put on the spot (which I gotta admit, I enjoyed it). And yes I'm of the opinion that socialism is bad, it never worked anywhere and it never will. It's a great video for the politics thread.

            I just think for now what people gotta do is put political labels aside for a bit, look at this thing rationally, regardless of how you vote, and start weighing the cost of the lockdown vs its benefits. I find that opinions carry more weight if they don't come loaded with bias from someone wearing a Greta Thumberg shirt or a red "Make America great again" hat. If people start digging on their right and left heels, then this will become another politicized gridlock not going very far. Just my take.
            That's already what's happened. People are being brainwashed and manipulated, so that when they hear "end parts of the lockdown" they think "far right trump supporter with guns"
            It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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            • S.R. wrote: View Post

              Isn't the real issue oversupply? If the international oil cartel of world governments doesn't coordinate on supply, prices crater. It's an artificial industry that's run by OPEC, Russia, and the US. Which is a pretty good argument for Alberta to diversify as Canadian oil is generally expensive to produce and we're one of the first casualties when prices drop.

              It's an incredible industry to profit from but a volatile one to depend on.
              Oh for sure, oversupply is the main driver and Alberta (like everywhere) should diversify. That said, the industry has had to battle all sorts of political opposition, protests, carbon taxes, distribution red tape, pipeline gridlocks etc.. All that stuff has a cost behind it, making the industry less competitive and less fit to withstand turbulences like this. At some point companies get turned off and go away, and that's not just because of oversupply (albeit a big part of it).
              2019 NBA Champions. Glad to have doubted the doubters.

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              • KeonClark wrote: View Post

                That's already what's happened. People are being brainwashed and manipulated, so that when they hear "end parts of the lockdown" they think "far right trump supporter with guns"
                You're most likely right. That's unfortunately another misinformation/hyperbole BS people are being exposed to.
                2019 NBA Champions. Glad to have doubted the doubters.

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                • KeonClark wrote: View Post

                  That's already what's happened. People are being brainwashed and manipulated, so that when they hear "end parts of the lockdown" they think "far right trump supporter with guns"
                  Who's "they"?

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                  • This thread has turned into an absolute disaster. LOL If people truly think this is just a common cold to catch and get over, then I highly encourage them to get together in large groups and hang out. Talk super moistly to prove your point. Lol

                    Will make it easier for those people that want to avoid you, to do so.


                    **My views are not those of Raptors Republic Forum Administrators, and should not be construed as such**
                    Last edited by Joey; Tue Apr 21, 2020, 06:01 PM.

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                    • Joey wrote: View Post

                      Who's "they"?
                      In this instance, "they" is people who watch/read the news or social media. There's a lot of "them"
                      It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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                      • KeonClark wrote: View Post

                        In this instance, "they" is people who watch/read the news or social media. There's a lot of "them"
                        Trudeau himself has hinted and indicated at opening parts of the economy in stages ... so you're saying that "they" see Trudeau as a "far right trump supporter with guns"? Wild.

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                        • Joey wrote: View Post
                          This thread has turned into an absolute disaster. LOL If people truly think this is just a common cold to catch and get over, then I highly encourage them to get together in large groups and hang out. Talk super moistly to prove your point. Lol

                          Will make it easier for those people that want to avoid you, to do so.


                          **My views are not those of Raptors Republic Forum Administrators, and should not be construed as such**
                          I think a bit of skepticism is necessary here, Joey. Sure, there are differences between this and the common cold, but the death rate seems to be far lower than we anticipated. Hospitals are sitting empty waiting for a wave of people that probably isn't coming. Vulnerable people are stuck at home with abusive, dangerous partners / parents / guardians with nothing but time and alcohol. People are suffering in many ways. We went from flattening the curve to killing the virus. In a few weeks, it may be time to lift some of these restrictions. I'm not trying to paint you as a supporter of all of these problems, but to shut down skepticism as ignorance is not productive here.

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                          • Head over here and scroll down to the national map, hover your mouse pointer over provinces (not sure how it works on mobile) and you see the curves of different provinces. Significantly different situations province to province, pretty amazing. Some have definitely established a flattened curve and some have not at all:

                            https://www.canada.ca/en/public-heal...infection.html
                            "We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard

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                            • 2/3 of Canadian deaths have been in long term care homes.
                              Add in the 80+ crowd at home plus those with previously compromised health issues ....

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                              • Joey wrote: View Post
                                This thread has turned into an absolute disaster. LOL If people truly think this is just a common cold to catch and get over, then I highly encourage them to get together in large groups and hang out. Talk super moistly to prove your point. Lol

                                Will make it easier for those people that want to avoid you, to do so.


                                **My views are not those of Raptors Republic Forum Administrators, and should not be construed as such**
                                Those who "think this is just a common cold" must not reside on this forum. In fact, I haven't read that anywhere.
                                Many however are questioning whether the fear and hysteria was warranted, the inflammatory language used, the role of the media and government, and why the eventual active case and death count look to be falling short of even the most optimistic models (scientific best guess lol).

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