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  • G__Deane wrote: View Post

    Yup it was a win/win.
    If the numbers stay in relative control, it's because we took extreme measures.
    If the numbers still went out of control, we can say "think of how much worse it would have been" lol

    Defending the needless fear and hysteria that contributed to panic buying, mask hoarding, isolation, depression, anxiety, domestic abuse, financial ruin is easier that way.

    It's the apocalyptic talk that was unnecessary. 2/3 of the deaths in Canada have been in nursing homes. Add in those over 80 and those who already had compromised health issues and this, although still serious and worth of respectful measures, had fallen well short of the panic talk they started with. Resulting in fathers getting ticketed for roller balding with their kids and the same heavy handed closure of parks even in remote or rural areas.
    When the ONT. models were presented, the same COVID-19 anti-spread measures we currently enforce, had been in place for at least 2 weeks. Nothing has changed yet the realistic projections of our scientists / professionals were wildly pessimistic. In the case of ICU beds an astonishing 5x too high. Rather than 1200 ICU cases we have ~ 250. Our hospitals sit practically empty (mine is at 60%) waiting for the predicted wave that never came. How many people will die prematurely because of withholding / delay of treatments? It's time to start opening up the hospitals and businesses. Keep the distancing message and require masks on public transit or in broader settings. Time to get people back to work.



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    • Still think expansion of what are "essential service" May 1st still seems reasonable in certain provinces. We have to figure out if we can even open things up while still maintaining operating ability of the hospitals at some point might as well try it out in provinces like B.C, Sask, and the North and gauge what happens.
      If your old, pre existing or scared you can still shelter in place. But we have to try something we survived the "1st wave" now we are delaying making any changes.
      At the very least if some things open up and cases spike we can go back and it will ease people minds to think this is all for nothing
      To be the champs you got to beat the champs

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      • Puffer wrote: View Post
        This is germane to the discussion when we are talking about numbers and what they mean when looking at COVID-19.
        Thanks for this Puffer. Antibodies tests/studies (to see who's already immune to it) will be key in telling if the ongoing economic flogging we're bringing upon ourselves should keep going or not. The link presents it in a bit of a convoluted way, so I'll try to summarize the antibody study here:

        ---They did an antibody test on 3,300 random people (Facebook invite) on a random California county (a positive antibody test means the person had the virus once and is now immune to it).

        ---From the results of that 3,300 sample, they estimated how many in the whole county would have the antibodies. Like any sample extrapolation, there's a margin of error, and bunch of correcting factors, but basically it was determined that statistically, at minimum, 48,000 people in the county would have the antibodies (and as many as 81,000)

        ---The number of total confirmed cases in the county at the time however, was only 956. Therefore the number of actual cases (minimum 48,000), was at least 50x higher than the number of confirmed cases (or as high 85x)


        Other studies would need to corroborate this, but the takeaways from my seat:

        --It is at least 50x less deadly than originally calculated. For example: US confirmed cases: ~831,000. Real cases estimate (x50): 41,550,000.
        # of deaths per # of cases (true mortality rate): 46,250/41,550,000 ---> 0.11% (or 0.07%, if the real cases are 85x more than the detected ones)

        --That 0.07% to 0.11% includes: A substantial number of people well over 80 (U.S. life expectancy is 79), and people that died with covid but not from covid (in the US a heart attack on a patient that tested positive for covid is allowed by the CDC to be counted as a covid fatality). So those numbers should be reduced further to correct for that.

        -- The difference between this number (0.07% to 0.11%, corrected further down for the factors above) and the mortality/hospital rate of other transmittable things that don't shut society down (eg regular flu), must be massive, otherwise this type of lockdown is unwarranted at this point.


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        • inthepaint wrote: View Post

          Thanks for this Puffer. Antibodies tests/studies (to see who's already immune to it) will be key in telling if the ongoing economic flogging we're bringing upon ourselves should keep going or not. The link presents it in a bit of a convoluted way, so I'll try to summarize the antibody study here:

          ---They did an antibody test on 3,300 random people (Facebook invite) on a random California county (a positive antibody test means the person had the virus once and is now immune to it).

          ---From the results of that 3,300 sample, they estimated how many in the whole county would have the antibodies. Like any sample extrapolation, there's a margin of error, and bunch of correcting factors, but basically it was determined that statistically, at minimum, 48,000 people in the county would have the antibodies (and as many as 81,000)

          ---The number of total confirmed cases in the county at the time however, was only 956. Therefore the number of actual cases (minimum 48,000), was at least 50x higher than the number of confirmed cases (or as high 85x)


          Other studies would need to corroborate this, but the takeaways from my seat:

          --It is at least 50x less deadly than originally calculated. For example: US confirmed cases: ~831,000. Real cases estimate (x50): 41,550,000.
          # of deaths per # of cases (true mortality rate): 46,250/41,550,000 ---> 0.11% (or 0.07%, if the real cases are 85x more than the detected ones)

          --That 0.07% to 0.11% includes: A substantial number of people well over 80 (U.S. life expectancy is 79), and people that died with covid but not from covid (in the US a heart attack on a patient that tested positive for covid is allowed by the CDC to be counted as a covid fatality). So those numbers should be reduced further to correct for that.

          -- The difference between this number (0.07% to 0.11%, corrected further down for the factors above) and the mortality/hospital rate of other transmittable things that don't shut society down (eg regular flu), must be massive, otherwise this type of lockdown is unwarranted at this point.

          Excellent job of summarizing the information. I think counting a death as caused by COVID-19 if the virus was detected is a huge factor in making such out of whack guesses as to mortality rates. If you were 85, in hospital with liver cancer, and they tested you for the virus because someone on your ward had it and you subsequently passed away, it is counted as a COVID-19 death in most jurisdictions.

          The antibody testing is key to getting restrictions lifted and getting the economy moving again.

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          • inthepaint wrote: View Post

            -- The difference between this number (0.07% to 0.11%, corrected further down for the factors above) and the mortality/hospital rate of other transmittable things that don't shut society down (eg regular flu), must be massive, otherwise this type of lockdown is unwarranted at this point.

            First, remember Canada is doing everything in lock step with what the WHO tells them. From there? Elementary, my dear watson. Whether his motivation is saving the world as a real life super hero, or something nefarious, its indisputable that there is a vested interest in keeping this situation seeming very grave and serious for quite awhile.


            The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation contributed almost $327 million to the WHO’s General and Fiduciary Funds, making it the second-largest donor overall. The only donations to these funds higher than those of the Gates Foundation came from the government of the United States. Gates treated like a head of state by the WHO


            With the contributions provided to the WHO by the Gates Foundation now exceeding those of every national government on earth apart from the United States, the WHO clearly no longer has any independence in the field of health. Having traded its scientific credibility for funding from business interests, its advice on the prevention and control of diseases cannot be trusted.

            The money donated by Gates undoubtedly buys him a lot of attention at the WHO. Illustrating the extent to which he has essentially ‘captured’ the organization, the picture at the top of this article shows him sitting alongside Margaret Chan, WHO Director-General between 2007 and 2017, at a press conference in Geneva. The sway Gates gained over the WHO during Chan’s tenure has led to him being labeled by some as “the world’s most powerful doctor”. As Politico has pointed out, the size of his contributions have brought him an outsized influence on the WHO’s agenda. The first private individual to give a keynote speech at a WHA meeting, Gates’ authority at the WHO is said to be comparable to that of a head of state.

            In this situation, it isn’t difficult to imagine that, should Gates ever threaten to withdraw his gigantic funding, the WHO would inevitably bend its policies to suit his will. Indeed, it is said that the appointment in 2017 of Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus as the new Director-General of the WHO was made with Gates’ support.

            Clearly, having sold its soul to Gates and other business donors, the WHO no longer represents the interests of patients. The time has therefore come for it to be replaced with a new global body tasked with the goal of making natural preventive health a human right. Achieving this will require the creation of an organization that is truly independent. Avoiding the mistakes of the WHO and its leaders will be essential for such a body to succeed.
            ENEVA -- The World Health Organization chief warned Monday that "the worst is yet ahead of us" in the coronavirus outbreak, reviving the alarm just as many countries ease restrictive measures aimed at reducing its spread.

            WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus didn't specify why he believes the outbreak that has infected some 2.5 million people and killed over 166,000 could get worse. He and others, however, have previously pointed to the likely future spread of the illness through Africa, where health systems are far less developed.

            "Trust us. The worst is yet ahead of us," Tedros told reporters from WHO headquarters in Geneva. "Let's prevent this tragedy. It's a virus that many people still don't understand."


            Microsoft Corp. MSFT, +3.39% co-founder Bill Gates said his foundation will spend billions of dollars to fund the construction of factories for the most promising efforts to develop a vaccine to combat the novel coronavirus.

            Mr. Gates, a billionaire philanthropist who is one the richest people in the world, said the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation will work with seven makers of a possible vaccine to build these factories. Mr. Gates, who announced the efforts in an appearance on “The Daily Show With Trevor Noah” Thursday, acknowledged that billions of dollars would be wasted on vaccines that won’t pan out.
            Bill Gates: Until coronavirus vaccine, world won't be 'truly normal'
            It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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            • Zak24gege wrote: View Post

              When the ONT. models were presented, the same COVID-19 anti-spread measures we currently enforce, had been in place for at least 2 weeks. Nothing has changed yet the realistic projections of our scientists / professionals were wildly pessimistic. In the case of ICU beds an astonishing 5x too high. Rather than 1200 ICU cases we have ~ 250. Our hospitals sit practically empty (mine is at 60%) waiting for the predicted wave that never came. How many people will die prematurely because of withholding / delay of treatments? It's time to start opening up the hospitals and businesses. Keep the distancing message and require masks on public transit or in broader settings. Time to get people back to work.


              They're about to change the narrative to "it will be worse when it comes back in October"

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              • Btw, I'm not trying to say anything is a hoax. But its indisputable that a private businessmen has immense sway over a worldwide organization that is directing YOUR government. And I dont think that's right.
                It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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                • G__Deane wrote: View Post

                  They're about to change the narrative to "it will be worse when it comes back in October"
                  Well, they know the cat is getting out of the bag here for the "first wave", especially if more antibody studies get published. Even with the fear-loaded questionable/biased way of presenting the numbers, there's enough raw data out there (because of how long it's been), and enough people looking into this with a lot of time in their hands (now they're out of work), so it's getting hard to cover this funny smell.

                  if you really wanna generate worry/fear though, the unknown works the best. That's why all you hear now is "what about a second wave?".
                  2019 NBA Champions. Glad to have doubted the doubters.

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                  • KeonClark wrote: View Post

                    I laughed when the cop rides up..dude just earned 2 stars on grand theft auto
                    can you believe that driver wasn't arrested? they are looking for him now
                    Only one thing matters: We The Champs.

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                    • G__Deane wrote: View Post

                      They're about to change the narrative to "it will be worse when it comes back in October"
                      The first wave didn't happen so now the same people who grossly misjudged those numbers are now creating a 'second' wave bogeyman.

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                      • KeonClark wrote: View Post
                        First, remember Canada is doing everything in lock step with what the WHO tells them. From there? Elementary, my dear watson. Whether his motivation is saving the world as a real life super hero, or something nefarious, its indisputable that there is a vested interest in keeping this situation seeming very grave and serious for quite awhile.








                        This site has officially been taken over be Alex Jones! Sandy Hook never happened. The moon landing happened in a New Jersey TV studio. I am making a tinfoil helmet right now to protect me from the extraterrestrial rays!!!
                        Last edited by meductic; Thu Apr 23, 2020, 01:28 PM.

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                        • I am not saying it is true... but it seems a lot of people are saying that...

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                          • meductic wrote: View Post

                            This site has officially been taken over be Alex Jones! Sandy Hook never happened. The moon landing happened in a New Jersey TV studio. I am making a tinfoil helmet right now to protect me from the extraterrestrial rays!!!
                            But who was the 2nd gunman in the grassy knoll? And why did WTC 7 fall on its own?
                            It's Klaw Season. Time to hunt.

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                            • MixxAOR wrote: View Post

                              can you believe that driver wasn't arrested? they are looking for him now
                              How the hell did he get away with the cop 4 feet behind him? And they must have the plate

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                              • https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/...overs-charity/

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