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  • Joey wrote: View Post
    Hmm ya that's pretty much exactly what Google said ... still not sure I get it ... sounds like just another fancy term for "Socialist"?

    Not really. I'm not that well versed but the way I've heard it described it that MMT actually describes the real-world - ie that monetary supplies are already being expanded - and that this expansion can be put to work on the "slack" in an economy without causing massive inflation (the main drawback/concern of MMT).

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    • 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
      Has McCabe been charged for allegedly lying under oath to the FBI? Manafort was, because that's against the law. And McCabe wouldn't even be able to use Manafort's Costanza cleaning woman defense.
      McCabe is a made man. He'll never be indicted. Manafort was a crook for the better part of three decades but he was also an inside guy, he was a made man and he was completely safe until he chose poorly in backing Trump, so an example was made of him. That's why him and Flynn and Stone got charged and guys like Brennan, Panetta, Comey and McCabe never will: it's an example for people in the future. You can do whatever you want in DC as long as you play by the rules for the right teams, step outside that box, and you'll be punished.

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      • slaw wrote: View Post
        McCabe is a made man. He'll never be indicted. Manafort was a crook for the better part of three decades but he was also an inside guy, he was a made man and he was completely safe until he chose poorly in backing Trump, so an example was made of him. That's why him and Flynn and Stone got charged and guys like Brennan, Panetta, Comey and McCabe never will: it's an example for people in the future. You can do whatever you want in DC as long as you play by the rules for the right teams, step outside that box, and you'll be punished.
        Pfffttt. Your team: Manafort, Stone, Flynn got charged criminally and two of them will spend time in jail and be deprived of a major part of their bank balances. Stone is a cheap grubby criminal and dirty trickster and shall meet with a similar fate. And as I write Individual #1 is an unindicted co-conspirator in the Michael Cohen case/indictment... soon to be a subject of the most extensive criminal and counter intelligence investigation ever launched about high crimes in the Oval Office.

        Brennan, Panetta, Comey, McCabe have been long term senior public servants and except Panetta been lifelong Republicans who worked seamlessly for Presidents of both parties. They did not as you assert play for the right team... they played for any team in charge and apolitically.

        This is a shameful and grossly inaccurate comparison trying to equate and dress it up as political shenanigans. You seem to be quite unperturbed that Manafort would have escaped any criminal charges save for working for Trump. Hmmm. Good ethics portrayal there. These were crimes proven in court not political mudslinging..
        “When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?”

        J.M. Keynes

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        • Now here is a titillating watch...



          https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.40d75cc30bc0
          “When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?”

          J.M. Keynes

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          • It looks like some serious exposure is coming from SDNY


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            • slaw wrote: View Post
              McCabe is a made man. He'll never be indicted. Manafort was a crook for the better part of three decades but he was also an inside guy, he was a made man and he was completely safe until he chose poorly in backing Trump, so an example was made of him. That's why him and Flynn and Stone got charged and guys like Brennan, Panetta, Comey and McCabe never will: it's an example for people in the future. You can do whatever you want in DC as long as you play by the rules for the right teams, step outside that box, and you'll be punished.
              Or maybe McCabe didn't lie to the FBI, even if he was justly fired.

              Those works of fiction you write can be truly bizarre, this one made me feel like Mandrake listening to Ripper.
              If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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              • 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
                Or maybe McCabe didn't lie to the FBI, even if he was justly fired.

                Those works of fiction you write can be truly bizarre, this one made me feel like Mandrake listening to Ripper.

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                  • What a scumbag.


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                    • Bendit wrote: View Post
                      Pfffttt. Your team: Manafort, Stone, Flynn got charged criminally and two of them will spend time in jail and be deprived of a major part of their bank balances. Stone is a cheap grubby criminal and dirty trickster and shall meet with a similar fate. And as I write Individual #1 is an unindicted co-conspirator in the Michael Cohen case/indictment... soon to be a subject of the most extensive criminal and counter intelligence investigation ever launched about high crimes in the Oval Office.

                      Brennan, Panetta, Comey, McCabe have been long term senior public servants and except Panetta been lifelong Republicans who worked seamlessly for Presidents of both parties. They did not as you assert play for the right team... they played for any team in charge and apolitically.

                      This is a shameful and grossly inaccurate comparison trying to equate and dress it up as political shenanigans. You seem to be quite unperturbed that Manafort would have escaped any criminal charges save for working for Trump. Hmmm. Good ethics portrayal there. These were crimes proven in court not political mudslinging..
                      The crimes Manafort was prosecuted for were years old and pre-dated Trump entirely. The DOJ refused to pursue him for years despite having the same evidence Mueller had. If Trump had lost to Clinton, Manafort would be a free man and so would Flynn. Even you know that.

                      Brennan perjured himself in front of Congress repeatedly. This is not in dispute. He was not prosecuted. McCabe was fired because he repeatedly lied to the DOJ and FBI, etc., that was a finding of the DOJ IG. Again, if this is all above board then why is the law not applied to all equally? We all know the answer.

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                      • 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
                        Or maybe McCabe didn't lie to the FBI, even if he was justly fired.

                        Those works of fiction you write can be truly bizarre, this one made me feel like Mandrake listening to Ripper.
                        Here's the work of fiction from the Department of Justice investigation...... they must be Russian agents, too.

                        https://static01.nyt.com/files/2018/...abe-report.pdf

                        We found that, in a conversation with then-Director Comey shortly after the WSJ article was published, McCabe lacked candor when he told Comey, or made statements that led Comey to believe, that McCabe had not authorized the disclosure and did not know who did. This conduct violated FBI Offense Code 2.5 (Lack of Candor – No Oath).

                        We also found that on May 9, 2017, when questioned under oath by FBI agents from INSD, McCabe lacked candor when he told the agents that he had not authorized the disclosure to the WSJ and did not know who did. This conduct violated FBI Offense Code 2.6 (Lack of Candor – Under Oath).

                        We further found that on July 28, 2017, when questioned under oath by the OIG in a recorded interview, McCabe lacked candor when he stated: (a) that he was not aware of Special Counsel having been authorized to speak to reporters around October 30 and (b) that, because he was not in Washington, D.C., on October 27 and 28, 2016, he was unable to say where Special Counsel was or what she was doing at that time. This conduct violated FBI Offense Code 2.6 (Lack of Candor – Under Oath).

                        We additionally found that on November 29, 2017, when questioned under oath by the OIG in a recorded interview during which he contradicted his prior statements by acknowledging that he had authorized the disclosure to the WSJ, McCabe lacked candor when he: (a) stated that he told Comey on October 31, 2016, that he had authorized the disclosure to the WSJ; (b) denied telling INSD agents on May 9 that he had not authorized the disclosure to the WSJ about the PADAG call; and (c) asserted that INSD’s questioning of him on May 9 about the October 30 WSJ article occurred at the end of an unrelated meeting when one of the INSD agents pulled him aside and asked him one or two questions about the article. This conduct violated FBI Offense Code 2.6 (Lack of Candor – Under Oath).

                        Lastly, we determined that as Deputy Director, McCabe was authorized to disclose the existence of the CF Investigation publicly if such a disclosure fell within the “public interest” exception in applicable FBI and DOJ policies generally prohibiting such a disclosure of an ongoing investigation. However, we concluded that McCabe’s decision to confirm the existence of the CF Investigation through an anonymously sourced quote, recounting the content of a phone call with a senior Department official in a manner designed to advance his personal interests at the expense of Department leadership, was clearly not within the public interest exception.

                        We therefore concluded that McCabe’s disclosure of the existence of an ongoing investigation in this manner violated the FBI’s and the Department’s media policy and constituted misconduct.

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                        • slaw wrote: View Post
                          Here's the work of fiction from the Department of Justice investigation...... they must be Russian agents, too.

                          https://static01.nyt.com/files/2018/...abe-report.pdf

                          In all "candor", you are again attempting to take an internal FBI dept. investigation of FBI employee McCabe's conduct and equating it to court of law convictions of Manafort et al. "Candor" or lack of it is not a federal crime like "collusion" which you keep bringing up. "Conspiracy" is. If the FBI felt it was serious enough I suppose they could have referred McCabe to a prosecutor and used a federal statute to do so. They did not. They obviously do not treat an internal investigation of one of their own employees which involves "lack of candor" as a "lie". They found him guilty of contravening their code of conduct.

                          What he was guilty of was starting a formal investigation into potus.

                          McCabe disagrees with the findings but is unable to fight it. It was rushed in a vindictive act to deny him his full pension by 24 hrs. That decision was considered final. No more appeal. Don't believe anyone else suffered the same fate as McCabe did after 21 yrs. of meritorious service rising to acting director.

                          If you wish to find out more than just a Sessions' inspired report refer to the article in my link.

                          I do not minimize the spin McCabe may have placed on his answers to the FBI's ombudsman/ethics person. What I object to is that you have taken this event (which really placed Clinton in jeopardy of a negative WSJ article portrayal) and somehow compare it to federal crimes of individuals which a jury found guilty. So much for whether McCabe was part of the deep state tilting the election for HC when in fact the FBI kept the Trump/campaign investigation secret before the election. What a joke!

                          https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...candor/556262/

                          Re your other post/rebuttal, again you really have to rethink your talking points ... "But Manafort was convicted for crimes a decade old etc etc". What does that even mean? Mueller's charge included "...any crimes discovered in the investigations" during his work on "the Russian interference in the election" (paraphrase). We have been thru this before. Want a copy of Rosenstein's charge to the special counsel?

                          He was taken to federal court and a jury convicted of tax evasion and other crimes. He then went while he offered to convey testimony to Mueller to pass along details to the WH of these dealings and even witness tamper with his handler Kilimnik. So he got the book thrown at him again.

                          And these crimes you either are unaware of but cavalierly dismiss?
                          “When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?”

                          J.M. Keynes

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                          • slaw wrote: View Post
                            The crimes Manafort was prosecuted for were years old and pre-dated Trump entirely. The DOJ refused to pursue him for years despite having the same evidence Mueller had. If Trump had lost to Clinton, Manafort would be a free man and so would Flynn. Even you know that.

                            Brennan perjured himself in front of Congress repeatedly. This is not in dispute. He was not prosecuted. McCabe was fired because he repeatedly lied to the DOJ and FBI, etc., that was a finding of the DOJ IG. Again, if this is all above board then why is the law not applied to all equally? We all know the answer.
                            I answered the former in my last note.

                            Want to supply me with links about what you are referring to about Brennan? Deep state stuff? I am genuinely interested. Facts now, not innuendo please.
                            “When my information changes, I alter my conclusions. What do you do, sir?”

                            J.M. Keynes

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                            • Wonder how much of an effect this lying POS is going to have on the upcoming campaigns by Kamala "This is a modern day lynching" Harris. If she can be duped with relative ease by a b grade television actor playing out a fantasy... how badly is she going to be tied up in knots by the pros who run presidential campaign strategies....

                              Cory Booker probably won't be affected by his read fire aim rush to judgement as he is as dumb as a post and won't get past New Hampshire.
                              Last edited by Demographic Shift; Thu Feb 21st, 2019, 11:39 PM.

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